Chioma Nnadi: Welcome to The Run Through With Vogue. I'm Chioma Nnadi. Chloe Malle: And I'm Chloe Malle.. On today's episode, we speak with Gisele. No, not the Gisele you're usually hearing about from Vogue, but we love to be unexpected at The Run Through. This is Gisele Fetterman, a model of her own kind. A model of sustainability, activism, the ideal senatorial spouse. Chioma Nnadi: But first, let's get into this week's headlines. Chloe Malle: All right, so Chioma, what the hell is happening with Balenciaga? Chioma Nnadi: It is an actual- Chloe Malle: Cluster-fuck. Chioma Nnadi: I mean, seriously. It's a nightmare. Chloe Malle: Walk me through what's happening. Chioma Nnadi: It really starts with these two campaigns that were released separately. Chloe Malle: Separate Balenciaga campaigns. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: So the first was called the Balenciaga Gift Shop campaign. Featured children with these bags that were shaped like teddy bears and the teddy bears kind of were wearing, you know, BDSM gear or what looked like bondage - Chloe Malle: Leather harnesses, bondage, yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. People were outraged. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: People were upset. Balenciaga apologized. Then a second campaign was released in the same week, this one called the Garde Robe Campaign. Chloe Malle: Wardrobe. Chioma Nnadi: Wardrobe, yeah. Garde Robe is wardrobe, so it's more kind of their classics collection. This one was a little bit more difficult to understand. You know, kind of a little bit more, was a little bit more provocative for a lot of people. Chloe Malle: It was Isabelle Huppert. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: French actress. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Legend. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Uh, she's standing in an office at a desk with the bag, the purse that's being advertised on the desk on top of a stack of, or sort of a messy reef of papers. Chioma Nnadi: Right. The still life image of that particular bag is against those documents in which you can read- you can kind of make out pieces of a text. And- Chloe Malle: The text is... Chioma Nnadi: Pages from the Supreme Court 2008 decision, which ruled that the promotion of child pornography was, was not covered by the First Amendment rights. Chloe Malle: I mean, just to be clear, these SCOTUS papers, which probably came from Olivia Benson's desk into some set designers box. It was not like Go Child pornography. This was a ruling against the use of child pornography. So that combined with teddy bears and bondage- Chioma Nnadi: Got people, people were- Chloe Malle: Tucker Carlson had it out for them. It, it's, you know, when it gets on Fox News, it's, it's only going downhill. Chioma Nnadi: It's, oh, you know, it's, it's, it just became this huge, huge drama. This huge thing. What ultimately happened is that the brand is suing the production company and the set designer. So they are not claiming responsibility - Chloe Malle: Which, they're basically scapegoating them. Correct? I mean, debatably. Chioma Nnadi: Debatably. They are not, you know, they, they issued a statement saying that that's what's happening. Chloe Malle: And not suing them for peanuts, I might add. 25 million. Chioma Nnadi: 25 million. So it's a, you know, it has become a really serious, really high profile story, case. Chloe Malle: Is it an actual drama in that, like it could affect how things go at Balenciaga? Or is it really just like a, a, an online tempest in a teapot? Chioma Nnadi: I would hope it's an online tempest in a teapot, but I have never seen a controversy of this magnitude really in the last, in recent memory. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: That- so it feels quite- Chloe Malle: This is the Iran Contra scandal of, uh, 2022 fashion. Chioma Nnadi: It, it, it does feel like it has gotten so overblown. You know, when you get, when you suddenly attract the attention of Tucker Carlson and, you know, it's, it's gone beyond the bounds of the, of the fashion world, then you've really, you know, you've- Chloe Malle: It's just weird. It's just not... I don't know. Let, let- stop kink shaming Paddington. Let the teddy bear live. If he wants to wear bondage, it's not like there's a, a child being tied up. It's a bear. Chioma Nnadi: No, but if you can, if you can imagine there was sort of hundreds of thousands of, of people sharing the hatch- #CancelBalenciaga like in a matter of days. Chloe Malle: Wow. And some of their celebrity friends- Chioma Nnadi: Exactly, so as we know, Kim Kardashian is almost wears exclusively Balenciaga. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: She's been featured in the campaign. She's very friendly with Demna. Chloe Malle: She famously wore a Balenciaga hood to the Met Gala. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, she did as as kind of like a zentai suit, you know? Completely in, in black. Chloe Malle: I mean, frankly, that was more offensive to me than this campaign. Let's be clear. Chioma Nnadi: I'll disagree there, but we'll keep going. Chloe Malle: God, you're such a Kim apologist. Chioma Nnadi: I'm not. I'm not a Kim apologist. But, Kim obviously, you know, had, had to weigh in. Kim came out and she said, you know, that she's reevaluating her relationship in light of the controversy. Chloe Malle: People are such pushovers. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. You know, I know. I think it's, um, it, it, it, it, it's difficult, right? Because I do think people, we live in fear of, of, of backlash. We live in fear of cancel culture. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Um, and it's, it's unfortunate, you know, that when you know the extreme right media link with like the liberal left and you get this explosion of - Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Of, of, of hate and, you know, outrage. It just, nothing good can come of it. Chloe Malle: Well, and there has to be room for atonement, right? Chioma Nnadi: That's the biggest takeaway for me and the saddest thing about this is that when you don't give creatives room to take risks, room to make mistakes, room to say, I messed up here and I'd like to do better. Then you run the risk of stifling creativity, you know? Chloe Malle: Right. Chioma Nnadi: Obviously, you know, I think we can all agree that the, that the campaign was ill-conceived, it was a mistake. You know, I, I, you know, I'm sure everybody would agree that nobody believes that Balenciaga really wants to push some kind of agenda for child pornography. It's just ridiculous. You know and if you can believe it, there was huge news just a few days before this entire drama snow balled. Alessandro Michele, who was the creative director at Gucci, announced after 20 years at the brand, you know, in eight years as the creative director, almost eight years as the creative director, that he would be leaving. Chloe Malle: Ah, devastating. Chioma Nnadi: I like to call him Alessandro cause I just, I just think he seems like he's the kind of guy that you call by his first name. Chloe Malle: Let's give people a visual. This man- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Truly looks like a very well suited 1970s Jesus. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yeah. You know, like cult leader, rockstar. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: You know, he has, you know, rings on every finger, flowing hair. Chloe Malle: Flowing chestnut locks. Chioma Nnadi: You know, likes to twin with Jared Leto. Like you get the vibe. Um, so he actually worked at Gucci for 20 years. So he was a behind the scenes person actually, and has kind of called Gucci his family, because it was his family. He worked there for 20 years. Chloe Malle: But he really reinvented the wheel. Chioma Nnadi: Completely reinvented the wheel. I remember when he showed his first collection back in, I think it was 2015, and it was like a kind of minor revolution. Not even- a major revolution. I mean, we- Chloe Malle: Forget the Arab Spring. Chioma Nnadi: Forget the Arab Spring. Chloe Malle: Let's talk about Gucci! Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I mean, you know. You know, I think it introduced this conversation about gender nonconforming in a real way. Chloe Malle: Very maximalist. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, of course. And we were coming out of a completely - Chloe Malle: Extremely expressive. I feel like it was the first, he was the first designer to really embrace this idea of sort of express your true self. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Authenticity. Like just go all the way for who you are. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Like enough of the, it was sort of the anti Phoebe Philo Celine. It was like hashtag old Celine. This was hashtag new Gucci. Chioma Nnadi: It's true. We went from minimalist to maximalist and something- it felt very personality driven. Very much. Chloe Malle: Yes, exactly. Chioma Nnadi: Not about trends. He didn't really evolve- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: You know, the, look, it, it felt very much an aesthetic, a world. Think about Harry Styles. Where would Harry Styles be without Gucci? That boa, you know, it completely helped him look - Chloe Malle: Things that keep me up at night. Chioma Nnadi: No, seriously, it helped him define his look as a solo artist. I really do think that, you know, before that he was kind of like a boy band guy, right? But, you know, along comes Alessandro - Chloe Malle: We're gonna get death threats. Chioma Nnadi: We are- Chloe Malle: from Styles fans. Chioma Nnadi: No, I mean, I think he was... Alessandro was so good at forging relationships with people like Harry, with people like Billie- Chloe Malle: Billie Eilish. Chioma Nnadi: Florence - Billie Eilish. Sorry, I'm like, everybody should know. Chloe Malle: Chioma's best friend. Chioma Nnadi: My bestie Billie. I moderated interview with the two of them and it was a love fest. You know, they, he would call her at midnight her time because of the time difference between Rome and LA and they'd have these long conversations and it was like everything, I mean, I hate to use this word cause it's so overused, but it was authentic. Like- Chloe Malle: Yeah. I mean they were actual relationships. It wasn't just a check in the mail from, you know, one of the old school European fashion houses. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, yeah. And you know, I think it really feels like the end of an era, to be honest. Or that- Chloe Malle: Yeah. What else- I mean, because it does sort of feel like transitional moment. We're at the end of the year. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Everyone's sort of coming out of the pandemic. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Like is this the post covid shakeup in the industry? Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Yes. I, I think that's exactly what it is. I think we're, and I think 2023 is gonna be a really interesting year. You know, the, the, you know, there are so many new players. There are so many unfilled houses. There are so many- there's so much movement. Chloe Malle: What are big appointments that are gonna happen in the next few months? Chioma Nnadi: Let's start with Burberry because Daniel Lee, formally of Bottega Veneta has stepped into the role at Burberry. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: And will be showing his first collection next year. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: So that's- Chloe Malle: And later we'll be talking to the new Bottega designer. Chioma Nnadi: We will, we will. Chloe Malle: Matthieu Blazy Chioma Nnadi: Exactly. You know, and obviously, this past week we honored, you know, it was one year since Virgil passed away. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Virgil Abloh. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. You know, and that his position at Louis Vutton is still... has yet to be appointed. Chloe Malle: He was the designer of the Louis Vuitton Menswear. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: And so that's still open, so that's something that will be filled. Gucci obviously now has an opening. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Um, Raf Simons said last week that he's shutting down his label. Chioma Nnadi: His own label. Yeah. Chloe Malle: So it just feels like a lot of- Chioma Nnadi: A lot going on. Chloe Malle: The iconic plates are shifting. So in a decidedly not Alessandro Michele fashion moment, Naomi Biden wore pristine, elegant, crisp white Ralph Lauren to her wedding at the White House. Chioma Nnadi: Tell me more. Chloe Malle: Well, I did not attend the Royal Wedding; however, I was at the White House last week. Chioma Nnadi: Oh! Chloe Malle: Woof, all right. Chioma Nnadi: We, we need to officially put that, you know, out there on record. Chloe Malle: So we'll start from the beginning. Vogue was in discussions with the White House and ended up photographing Naomi Biden, uh, the president's granddaughter, eldest granddaughter, uh, in her wedding dress with her grandmother, Dr. Jill Biden. Chioma Nnadi: I thought she looked stunning. Chloe Malle: They looked fabulous. It was- all their looks really nailed it. It was exactly what you wanted from the White House winter wedding. Super elegant, classic. Norman Jean Roy, his wife Joanna, who is this photo assistant, and myself, went down to DC Thursday before Thanksgiving. We photographed Naomi in her Ralph Lauren dress that was very Grace Kelly vibes. Then the story came out a few days later and the White House Press corps went ape shit because they were not given access to the wedding and they thought that I was at the wedding, and they were very offended that they were told that the event was a private event, and which already was controversial since every White House wedding has always invited the press. And so this one was- they were disgruntled not to have access. And then Vogue came out with this glossy photo spread, and they felt that Vogue had been the one outlet invited to the wedding, which was not the case. Much to my chagrin. Chioma Nnadi: No, but I will say, I read the piece. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Chloe Malle: Thank you. Chioma Nnadi: Your description was especially evocative. Chloe Malle: Thank you. Chioma Nnadi: I did almost, I could almost picture it. I could understand why people thought maybe you were there. Chloe Malle: I'm touched. Chioma Nnadi: You just- well, you, you over delivered girl. Chloe Malle: But people- Chioma Nnadi: You over delivered. Chloe Malle: Woof, no one thought it would be... you know, Wedding Gate, the way it turned out to be. I mean, the Press Corps just went really, we're very annoyed at the White House and their Press Secretary. But yeah, it was such a treat to be able to be at the White House. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. What's it like? Chloe Malle: So it's much smaller than I thought it would be. Chioma Nnadi: Okay. Chloe Malle: I feel like... by the end of the day, I was like, oh, I know where everything is, I can make myself at home here. And actually Naomi and Peter, her now husband, and their mini Aussie Shepherd, Charlie, are living on the third floor of the White House. Chioma Nnadi: Get out. Chloe Malle: They live in the same like apartment, or suite, that Michelle Obama's mom lived in for eight years. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Chloe Malle: They're between leases on their apartments, so they just moved in with their grandparents. Chioma Nnadi: They're just squatting at the White House. Chloe Malle: Exactly. Chioma Nnadi: Chloe, you know, I always love a bit of, a bit of romantic gossip. Chloe Malle: You love a celeb- Chioma Nnadi: I love, I love a celeb love match. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: And I think- Chloe Malle: well, let me tell you who's giving you a lot of those? Pete Davidson. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, I mean, I can see the attraction. I think Pete's pretty cute. Chloe Malle: I, I, I do too. I'm just impressed. The man swagger. Chioma Nnadi: The man has swagger. And I mean, you know the French ever saying that if you can make a woman laugh, you're halfway into her bed. And I really think that's true. I mean, he is a funny guy, you know, and his latest, uh, love interest is Emily Ratajkowski and they were seen, you know, court side. She was beaming, she was giggling. They just look so adorable. That was their relationship status update. That was their coming out. Chloe Malle: Sitting court side at the Knicks game, it's such a, uh- Chioma Nnadi: Practically parody. Chloe Malle: Such a trope now that they almost were, I I feel like they're, they were in on it. It's, they're such a 2022 couple and tar- and it's so evocative of this moment that every news story about it cropped poor Ben Stiller out of the photo who was sitting next to Pete Davidson looking completely confused by the media circus around him. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, it was a great moment. Chloe Malle: He's come a long way from Zoolander. Chioma Nnadi: I mean. I think - Chloe Malle: So what is it about Pete for you? Chioma Nnadi: He's the rebound king. Look, I mean, anytime you need to pick me up, you know, and I think one thing I loved was that, you know, there are women waiting in line to date him. I mean, Dionne Warwick, who is the queen of Twitter, basically tweeted that she'd like to date him next. Chloe Malle: Oh, I love her. That's fantastic. Chioma Nnadi: It was just great. I mean, but look, you know, he seemed to have so much fun with Kim. It was exactly what she needed. You just want something light and fun and someone who's gonna pick you up and Emrata's had a crappy time. You know she's coming out of a divorce. Um, So she should, she deserves a little fun. Chloe Malle: And I mean, look, I'm curious what the Venn diagram overlap that connects Ariana Grande, Kim Kardashian, Margaret Qualley, Cazzie David, Kaia Gerber, and now Emrata, that's- Chioma Nnadi: Wow, I'm impressed you know, his entire dating history. Chloe Malle: I, I typed it up. And I, I'm a, I'm a big Emrata fan. I wanna listen to her podcast. I, uh, I think she's smart. She's, uh- Chioma Nnadi: Emrata, if you're listening, we want you on the podcast. Chloe Malle: Yeah, exactly. Mazel tov to the happy couple. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I'm happy to see that- I hope that romance flourishes in 2023. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: So we were pretty excited when Gisele Fetterman agreed to join us on the show. Chloe Malle: Yes, we've been keeping an eye on her ever since the Pennsylvania Senate race, particularly because she's been a very refreshing presence on the political scene. Chioma Nnadi: Right. She's not your typical Senate spouse. She's Brazilian born. She runs a couple of mutual aid organizations. She shops almost exclusively vintage. So she's a woman close to my heart. Chloe Malle: Very up your alley. Chioma Nnadi: Right? And she's also kind of funny. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: You know, she used to refer to herself as SLOP, Second Lady of Pennsylvania. Chloe Malle: I love it. Chioma Nnadi: So good. When her husband was lieutenant governor of the state. Chloe Malle: Has a more of a ring than FLOTUS, I would say. Chioma Nnadi: For sure. Chloe Malle: When vogue.com published a piece on how she wore a $12 thrifted dress to her Senate orientation, it went viral. So of course we were like, ah, let's get this lady on to tell us about her fashion ways and wants. And we also obviously talked to her about the intense six months on the campaign trail while her husband was recovering from his stroke, and she sort of became the surrogate candidate for a while. Chioma Nnadi: It's been a whirlwind few months for you, how is it, what kind of been the hardest moments of helping your husband through the campaign? How is he doing? Because obviously it's been an intense year for you guys as a family. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: All the things you don't expect to happen, you know, we're kind of in the biggest race in the country and then right before election night my husband suffers a stroke. And, uh, not that there's ever a good time to have it, but somehow there were silver linings there. You know, we were 20 minutes from one of the best stroke centers in the state. Chloe Malle: Wow. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: We were able to get the him there quickly, and then he wins all 67 counties while in the hospital. Never happened in the history of Pennsylvania. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Chloe Malle: Wow. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: And, uh, I basically left the hospital. I was there for, you know, four days, no shower, you know. Eating, uh, cannolis that, that's what I found in the, in the hospital cafeteria. They had amazing deconstructed cannolis, so- Chloe Malle: What? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Yes, decons- they're all broken up. Amazing. So I, I ate that for four days, nothing but cannolis. Chloe Malle: Oh my God. Chioma Nnadi: Cause I know you're also a nutritionist, right? So I'm sure that was probably hard for you. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Right, a bad nutritionist, clearly. And, uh, you know, I left the hospital after four days and came home, took a shower, and went straight to the accept nomination at the election parties. So it's been, uh, , it's been a lot. Chloe Malle: I mean, you were really sort of like the candidate for a while because your husband just wasn't able to be out there. Was that an experience you were prepared for? Had any, had ever anticipated, what was the hardest part of that? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: No, I think I was just a surrogate that was needed at that time. I never anticipated it because I don't like politics. I, uh, would never run for office. I, I don't like that world, it's not for me. Um, I much more enjoy kind of being behind the scenes doing the work that I do. So I think I was just, what was needed at that time. And, you know, what better surrogate than someone who loves and believes in him. So I got to be that for a little bit and then he's back, and then election night came again, and he brought it home. So it's, it's been a lot of emotions, but also like, something that, you know, to recover from a stroke. Right? That alone is very hard to do it privately as a family and you know, he's had to do it with the whole world watching. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: My kids learned about the stroke five minutes before the entire world did. Chloe Malle: Oh my gosh. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: So it was managing their reality now and their expectations and everything else that was going on. Chloe Malle: You and the Senator have a very charming meet story, meet cute we call it in the film business. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Sure. Yeah, so at the time I was, uh, living New Jersey. I had a business in New York. I was a nutritionist. I had a private practice there, and I had a small nonprofit in Newark, New Jersey, working with food justice and food access. I was in love with the Brooklyn Bridge when I lived in New York. I thought it was just the most beautiful bridge in the world. And I was at a yoga retreat in Costa Rica, totally unrelated. And in the lobby of magazines there was one American magazine. And I picked it up and I read it. It was Ready Made. It's now Defunct, but it was like an artist- Chloe Malle: Oh, I remember that. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Used to love that magazine. And inside there was an article about this young mayor that was working to revitalize this ghost town, this community, and something, you know, connected with it. I, I had never read about abandonment. I've always lived in overpopulated cities, Queens, Rio, Newark. And this idea of abandonment, I couldn't grasp. But put it away in my brain somewhere, went home and then came across another article, and this one talked about how the steel that built the Brooklyn Bridge came from Braddock, Pennsylvania. Chloe Malle: Hmm. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: And as a Brazilian, you know, signs are everywhere. And I'm like, this is a sign. And, uh, , I wrote a letter to the borough, uh, sharing the work that I was doing with food justice and food access, and that I wanted to visit and learn, and, I don't know, understand, see it up close. He received my letter. He called me and I came to visit, and that's how it happened. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Chloe Malle: Wow. So then you eloped in Burlington, Vermont, you had three kids, they're all now 8, 11, 14, you said? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Mm-hmm, yep. Chloe Malle: And I either read or heard that all three kids were home water births? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: They were. Chloe Malle: That is insane. Any highlights from that you wanna share or I, I'm just like fascinated by- Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Well, people are like, oh, you're so brave. And I don't think it was, I think it's the opposite. I think like, you know, when you're pregnant you just, I found myself watching all the baby shows, right? Like obsessively watching baby shows. And I would see these hospital birds and all these bright lights and like this woman just delivered a baby and like no one covers her. And like the father-in-law is standing right there. And I was like, ah, I don't know about this. And so I just started exploring more and I'm thinking like, it can't be that bad, right? If it was that bad people wouldn't keep having kids. Um, so I try to- Chloe Malle: Yeah, I've wondered about that. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: So I tried to find like, what is the closest way to nature, you know, to be able to, to do this. And, uh, found a home water birth midwife and she delivered all three kids. Chloe Malle: In like one of those blow up jacuzzis that they have? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Exactly. Chloe Malle: Wow. Did you use the same one for all three kids? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: No, because after each kid I was like, oh, this is the last kid. And then I would, I would donate it to the midwife so she could use it with someone else. Cause you put a liner on it, so yeah, I had to buy three tubs. Chloe Malle: Oh, that's so funny. And so was it as bad as you thought it could be? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: No, it was amazing. Ton of friends were in the room and it was like- Chloe Malle: Oh my gosh. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: There was the buffet set up and the lights were dim. Chloe Malle: Oh my gosh. Chioma Nnadi: No, you're kidding me. Chloe Malle: This is so not my experience. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: And, and that's why I was so scared, because that is what you usually see are these experience. We were very lucky. And you know, the baby literally swims. Like apparently they know how to swim when they're inside and like the, the little arms swam up. It was surreal. Chloe Malle: Oh my God. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Yes. But no more that I definitely never had to buy another tub. Chloe Malle: The shop was closed. I loved that when you guys decided not to live in the Lieutenant Governor's mansion, you were sad to let go of the pool. So instead you made it the people's pool and everyone could go swim there. What do you think's gonna be your people's pool of DC and the senatorial experience? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Right. That's what I wanna find, right? I wanna find what that thing will be in, in, in DC and I, I really live in the present. Like I'm very much like right now you two are the most important people in my world because you're right here with me. So when I'm there, I hope to be able to find that thing as well. I, I believe that I will. I believe those things will, will show themselves. I, I enter every room thinking who's missing from it and what voices are missing, what conversations can we bring? Um, so I think they will hopefully reveal themselves. Chloe Malle: I saw that you posted Instagram of you with Chasten Buttigieg. Is he someone you've known for a long time? Are there any like political spouses or politicians that you've been friends with for a while that you're excited to reconnect with? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: No, he's a new friend, a very new, very sweet friend, and looking to find other sweet people in DC. So if you have any, send my way. Chloe Malle: Gisele, we've been talking about you and thinking about you. We loved Emma Specter's profile, but we were really excited when you tweeted that someone complimented your dress during the Senate spouse orientation and you proudly told them, thank you, thrifted $12. And so we wanna know what was, what was that like? What was their response? Where did you get it? Is that typical for you? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: There was definitely surprise on the other end, but the, the second day was actually funnier and I didn't tweet about it. So the next day somebody came up to me and was like, I, oh my God, I read about your dress yesterday. Is today's outfit thrifted too? And I was like, this one was from a swap meet. Chloe Malle: What was that outfit? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: The next day it was like a pleather thing. Chloe Malle: Okay. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: And, uh, it was, it was from a swap meet. It was such a fun swap meet and I've been waiting to wear it and I figured it was a good day for it. And that was like, well what is that? Like that opened an entire new conversation around swap meets. Chloe Malle: Oh, that's so funny that people don't know what that is. Chioma Nnadi: Have you always been into thrifting? Is that something that you've been doing since you were younger? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Always. And you know, when I moved here, my mom cleaned houses. She was a domestic worker when we moved to to America. And so my mom would clean these fancy homes who had kids, many times close to our age, and we would get the, the stuff that she would bring back that their kids were outgrowing. And I remember getting this Benetton red sweatsuit and it was like the coolest thing because I could never have afforded it. So to me it was such a gift. Like I've always loved this idea that this has had a life. Hopefully it, it's lived good stories. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: And maybe it didn't and now it will. So to me, thrifted was always much more appealing. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I think that's a really great way to build your closet. Chloe Malle: Absolutely. My 17 year old niece came to stay with me, she lives in Paris, and I was like, okay, where do you wanna go shopping? Like, what's on your list? And she only had thrift stores. It was like thrift stores from like Long Island City to Williamsburg to, you know, Chelsea and that was all she wanted. She didn't wanna go to any new stores. And I think that's so cool that teenagers are going that direction. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: That's awesome. And you know, like the environmental impact is a huge part of it. But I love knowing that like my, no one had to suffer, right, for what I'm wearing at any given day. And I could have much more fun with the search, with the digging, with putting things together, then going somewhere where everything is the same. Chloe Malle: And there's nothing more satisfying than when someone compliments you on what you're wearing and you get to say, $12 from a thrift shop. Zing. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Yes. Chloe Malle: It's so rewarding. Chioma Nnadi: When did you make this commitment to wearing 90% used or recycled materials? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Since high school, like- Chloe Malle: Really? Wow. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: I've always thrifted. Chloe Malle: That's so cool. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: I mean, I could look at my prom dress, it was thrifted. Whatever photo I look in the history, I remember where I got it, I usually remember how much it cost. My wedding dress was $13. Chioma Nnadi: Oh my goodness. Chloe Malle: Oh my God. Tell us about your wedding dress. I, I listened in a podcast that you guys eloped in Vermont. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: Yes. Uhhuh. Chloe Malle: Paint the scene of what you guys were wearing. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: My husband was wearing shorts, shocker. And, uh, we, you know, we were in Burlington. I think we, we love, it's a beautiful city and I, I think we were both uncomfortable with the idea of a wedding. Like, you know, the idea that anyone shows up for you is like, oh, it gives him anxiety. It kind of stresses me out. So eloping sounded perfect. I had a dress I got in New York, at a thrift store in New York. It was a thrifted, like ruffled layered mini dress. And uh, we literally picked up, we went to the City Hall, picked up the Justice of Peace book, and I was like, her name sounds cool. We called her and she married us in her front yard. Chioma Nnadi: Well, I have a style question. Your husband's very famous for his tattoos and we were both wondering, do you have any? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: I do, I do. I have a lot of little ones. I have a heart here. I have soft here. Chloe Malle: What does that mean? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: After I did it here, I said, oh, this is perfect because I have no muscle. So it applies to my arm as well, um, but more just this idea of being radically soft and gentle. Chloe Malle: Aw, that's lovely. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: I have a, a horseshoe on my ankle. I have an equal sign on my rib. I have a bunch of tiny ones all over. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: I love that. Chloe Malle: Gisele, where do you guys stay when you're gonna be in DC now? Is your husband gonna get like an apartment or are you near other, like new Senate members or are there new Senate spouses that you've made friends with? Like what, what has it been like the Washington transition? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: So we are apartment shopping as we speak, looking to find a place close by. Um, since he'll be there a lot. I'm getting to know my son and spouses. During that week of orientation, I spent time with the newer additions and then I got to meet a lot of the existing ones. Looking forward to working with them. There's a book club. Chloe Malle: Oh, cute. What books is, are they reading? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: I'm not in yet. I'm only in after Inauguration, so. Chloe Malle: Oh, interesting. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: I'll let you know then. They have like a weekly lunch and then they do things together, so I'm gonna see what I can, you know, get them involved doing and get to know them and, and learn more. Chloe Malle: That's nice. That's much more community oriented than I would've expected. Chioma Nnadi: Well, we do have a couple of questions, fashion questions that we ask all of our guests. And the first is, do you have a biggest fashion regret? And if so, what is it? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: For me it was class night in high school and I still all, every once in a while I photo surfaces and I'm like, oh. So it was this beautiful silver snake skin and like the design of the snake skin had velvet and that was fine. And then I took this silver pomade and I did like, it was awful. And then like, you know, you take these two parts and you tie under and then like I silver pomade this part of the hair. Chloe Malle: Oh wow. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: I don't know what I was thinking, but it was awful. Chloe Malle: Wait, what is class night? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: So it's like my high school had prom night and then the year before prom they had class night. Chloe Malle: Oh, interesting. Okay. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: And it was awful. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: And like every two years someone's like, oh, Gisele I found this picture from class night and I was like, burn it. Chioma Nnadi: I love the commitment to a look though, that you went silver pomade. Chloe Malle: You went full for it. Chioma Nnadi: I got- I think, better to regret than not to regret not doing, right? And we have a second one for you too. What piece of clothing would you bring to a desert island? Gisele Barreto Fetterman: To a desert island? I have this, um, it was a thrifted dress and it's just, it's so beautiful. Um, I got it on eBay and I don't remember the brand, but it's a very fancy brand. Like corduroy-ish, but it's also like military and it's layered and it's just fabulous. I love it. Magnolia did an episode in our house and I wore it to that interview and I just, I love it. That's probably my favorite outfit. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. It's so good to have a dress that will- Chloe Malle: Amazing. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Just we never let you down. Chloe Malle: Carry you through on a desert Island. Chioma Nnadi: Exactly. Gisele Barreto Fetterman: I'll need all those buckles for the desert. Chloe Malle: Exactly. Chioma Nnadi: Matthieu Blazy is the new designer at Bottega Veneta. He's been there for less than a year, and already, the show in Milan has become basically the show to see, and he kind of makes it look easy, so I was really eager to talk to him about that. Chloe Malle: Yeah, he got his big Vogue profile in the September issue, which you can read on vogue.com now. But Chioma also caught up with him to talk about his recent runway show. Chioma Nnadi: Your debut, you opened with what looked like a white tank- Matthieu Blazy: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: And jeans and which was actually all this made of, of leather. And, you know, you sort of set the tone - Matthieu Blazy: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: For this new vision. Matthieu Blazy: You know, like I, I looked at a lot of, uh, different women, you know, in research and there was some characters that would always come back and they were basically very simple. They were wearing a jean and a t-shirt. I thought it was beautiful. You know, as simple as that. Another thing is that at Bottega we have a craft and we have, um, enough craft people to develop and push it to an extreme. What I find interesting in those silhouette is that the technicality behind is so well made by those people, that it's only the one that wears it, that know how luxury it is. And there is something that I found quite nice in trying to build a luxury for the self and not just to be seen and that notion of comfort I also find quite modern. I mean, we all live in the real world. We go to work, people have kids. Um, you know, we can push that vision to an extreme as well. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. And I love that you put Kate Moss- Matthieu Blazy: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: In that look. You know, she was wearing what looked like a flannel shirt, a tank top and jeans. Matthieu Blazy: Exactly. Chioma Nnadi: It reminded me just how beautiful like she is- Matthieu Blazy: Oh she's wonderful. Chioma Nnadi: Because I think you really saw her as she is, you know? Cause she's, she just looked like she just walked out into the street and wearing something so cool. Matthieu Blazy: Exactly. Chioma Nnadi: It reminded me like why I loved her as like a teenager when I was growing up. Like, oh yeah, that's the Kate, that's the nineties Kate. Matthieu Blazy: The idea was not to turn her into something that she's not. I wanted her to look like herself. You know what she's, and for me, Kate, you know, like when you look at Calvin Klein and all those image, we know from the, from the nineties, what Calvin did great is that he made look like her and the almost erased the clothes to just focus on the character of Kate. And you know, also, I have to admit, when I was a teenager, I was extremely obsessed with Kate Moss. She's one of the reason I do fashion today. Chioma Nnadi: Did she love that look? Matthieu Blazy: Yeah. It's funny because she already had the pair of jeans in denim, so when she came for her fitting, it's almost like she didn't have to change. We just had the tank top and the, and the shirt. Chioma Nnadi: I think you've talked a little bit about how you fell in love with New York while you were working at Calvin. Like what was it like living in New York at that time? Like what about New York? Do you love? Matthieu Blazy: I have a funny story with New York. When I was teenage, my dad used to travel a lot to New York and he would always take a kid with him. Um, and, and basically New York became a playground because my dad was working all day and he gave us, I mean, at 14, you know, we were alone in the city wandering and, you know, going to museum. Basically, it became a field of freedom. New York. It was a very, very joyful time. The energy was great, you know, but also the daily life as well. You know, the galleries, the restaurant. So, you know, when it came to do a project, you know, I wanted to do something special and something that was probably more linked to a cultural, uh, dangerous fashion. Chioma Nnadi: How has your life changed in the last six months? I mean now you're more in Milan and also just being in, in the spotlight, you know, because I think having been behind the scenes, like how do you feel about becoming more forward facing? Right? Or is that something that you are not interested in so much? Matthieu Blazy: A la. It's funny because the job itself hasn't changed so much because I was already design director in other jobs. Okay, now I do maybe more marketing, you know, making a brand. The industry itself has been very welcoming. People are warm, I think could the fashion, there is a... I feel less the, the pressure between designers, I think people talk and there is kindness. I have to say the only thing that disturbed me is when people call me by my name, where we haven't met. That's maybe the only thing that- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, that must feel strange. Matthieu Blazy: That's really, really changed. But for the rest, it's been very, very nice. You know, like simple and nice. Chioma Nnadi: What's next for you? What are you working on right now? Are you already fuller on in planning mode for the next, or tell me a bit about what happens after a show. Matthieu Blazy: After a show, I always have a little moment of depression. You know, like the, the pressure goes down. So that's the moment where I take a little bit of time for myself. So the first things I'm gonna do is go to Paris and, uh, See my friends and walk around with my dog. Chioma Nnadi: What kind of dog do you have? Matthieu Blazy: It's a mix of a lot of stuff. It's, um, it's a dog Peter and I got when we were living in New York and it was, um, a dog that came from, uh, Alabama. It's, it's a rescue. Chioma Nnadi: Nice. Matthieu Blazy: So I'm gonna do that. See my friends, have beers, uh, you know, have great dinners and walk my dog. But every day feels quite different, which is basically the reason I love my job so much. Chioma Nnadi: So we've been talking to people because this will air around the holidays. You're from Paris? Matthieu Blazy: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: You grew up in Paris. What do you love about the holidays in Paris? How was your Parisian Christmas like when you were growing up? Matthieu Blazy: It's funny because I never had Christmas in Paris. My mom is from Belgium and my dad is from the Pyrenees, so it was always either there or there. I can tell you a lot about the Christmas in, uh, Belgium. It's joyful in general. My grandmother would put jazz and music and we would dance. Very, very simple. Chioma Nnadi: Did you get dressed up? Matthieu Blazy: Yeah, I mean, everyone was trying to, to do their best. You know, in French we said to, so, you know, like beautiful clothes and. You know, it's a day for shirt and you know, like very joyful. Everyone tried to be pretty and looking their best at the table, but you know, after two hours everyone has dance and then suddenly everyone feels more relaxed and you know, like this is the kind of, uh, Christmas I love. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I love it. Thank you so, so much. I really appreciate that and lovely to see you. Matthieu Blazy: Thank you so much, Chioma. Ciao, ciao, good to see you. Chloe Malle: Ah. Love a man who goes home to his mama for Christmas. Chioma Nnadi: I know. I actually got my green card paperwork early, so I'll be going home for Christmas too. Chloe Malle: That's like Love, Actually. I don't know. It feels like a Richard Curtis movie. Chioma Nnadi: I know, Christmas in London. Who doesn't love it? Chloe Malle: Oh, perfect. Christmas came early. Chioma Nnadi: The Run Through with Vogue is a production of Conde Nast Entertainment. I'm Chioma Nnadi. Chloe Malle: And I'm Chloe Malle. See you next week.