Chloe Malle: We all had a, uh, very exciting viewing party last night at- Chioma Nnadi: It was so cute. Chloe Malle: ... my apartment, with, with my children. My son was very unimpressed by the- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: ... uh, show we were watching. Because he has a friend named Oscar, and he was very disappointed when- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: ... it was not Oscar on TV. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Amazing snacks. We had very good Indian food. Chloe Malle: There you go. Chioma Nnadi: Yep, and some Oscar cookies. Special edition Oscar cookies. Chloe Malle: Oh, thanks to Marley. Yeah. And, and now we're here, bright and early. This is the run through. I'm Chloe Malle. Chioma Nnadi: And I'm Chioma Nnadi. Chloe Malle: And we're here with our Oscars special, Keaton Bell, Christian Allaire. Chioma Nnadi: Let's do this. Chloe Malle: Welcome, Oscar's angels. [laughs] Christian Allaire: Hi. Keaton Bell: Hello, hello. Chioma Nnadi: Bright and early. Christian Allaire: Good morning. Chioma Nnadi: In the pod studio. Keaton Bell: Oh, my goodness. So much to talk about. Chioma Nnadi: So much to talk about. Chloe Malle: This is both of your time on the pod. Tell us a little bit... who you are, what you do at Vogue. Keaton Bell: My name is Keaton Bell. I am an entertainment editor here at Vogue Magazine, where I work on all things sort of celebrity and talent adjacent. Chloe Malle: Fantastic. Christian Allaire: And I'm Christian Allaire. I'm a senior fashion and style writer. Chloe Malle: Senior fashion writer at Vogue, and author of- Christian Allaire: Ooh. Chloe Malle: ... last night's best dressed list. Christian Allaire: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Christian Allaire: Lots of red carpet coverage to talk about. Chioma Nnadi: So much. Christian Allaire: Mm. Chioma Nnadi: So much. Where should we begin? Christian Allaire: Mm... Chioma Nnadi: What do you think? Keaton Bell: I want to hear everyone's personal best dressed first. Christian Allaire: Yeah, yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Okay, you first, Christian. Christian Allaire: Okay, well, I think I gotta go with Rihanna. Keaton Bell: Mm. Christian Allaire: And I think that might be a- all of us- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Christian Allaire: ... but I'm gonna do it first. I don't know, I love her take on pregnancy style. It's always a win for me. And also, it's hard to make black look really interesting. Chloe Malle: Oh, I thought it was brown. Was it black? Christian Allaire: Was it? Chioma Nnadi: It was brown and black, yeah. Christian Allaire: Oh, it was brown. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Christian Allaire: Oh, well, it was like, the darkest... Chloe Malle: I don't know, it seemed like- Chioma Nnadi: Very dark. Chloe Malle: ... a lot of heavy leather to be wearing when you're pregnant and probably really hot. Keaton Bell: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Especially with- Christian Allaire: And she pulled it off. Chioma Nnadi: ... with a turtleneck, with a sheer turtleneck. Chloe Malle: Ooh. Yeah. Christian Allaire: But I loved that it was just sheer enough to show the bump, without being like, fully revealing, you know? Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I love a bit of sparkle, so my, her Margiela performance was- Chloe Malle: Yeah, that was my- Christian Allaire: Yes. Chloe Malle: ... preferred moment. Chioma Nnadi: ... what I would have worn, had I been like, however many months pregnant- Christian Allaire: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: ... in the spotlight. I thought it was just special. Chloe Malle: Everyone, you heard it here first, this is what Chioma's wearing when she- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Keaton Bell: [laughs] Christian Allaire: I was trying to get a closer look at the pants. Chioma Nnadi: I think the pants were embellished in some way. I couldn't take my eyes off her jewelry. Christian Allaire: I know. Keaton Bell: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: I liked the earrings that she wore. They were kind of these big droplet earrings on the red carpet. But the jewelry she wore for the performance was just like, rows and rows of diamonds. It was- Chloe Malle: Oh, my God. Christian Allaire: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: ... dazzling. Christian Allaire: Yeah, and her outfit was like jewelry too, I feel like. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Yeah, it was very embellished. I love glittering anything. Christian Allaire: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: I think my best dressed was Paul Mescal. Chioma Nnadi: Oh... Keaton Bell: Oh... Christian Allaire: Oh... Chioma Nnadi: Interesting choice. Gucci. Chloe Malle: I love his sailor pants. His like... I don't know. He was doing like a 1970s prom date thing. He brought his mom. He had his huge red corsage. He was taking photos. He just, he was just living the Oscars dream. Chioma Nnadi: We, we thought... we were wondering if... I mean, we don't want to compare. We don't want to pit men against each other. Keaton Bell: Of course. Chioma Nnadi: But like, who was the best dressed man of the season? Because I personally- Christian Allaire: Hm... Chioma Nnadi: ... think it was Paul. I liked his Gucci look, you know, but I think, you know, there have been so many great looks that he's worn this season. Although, Austin Butler is a fierce contender. Christian Allaire: Hm... Chloe Malle: No, he's too pleased with himself. Keaton Bell: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Okay. Chloe Malle: I, he- he looks good, I just- Chioma Nnadi: Did you like his pussy-bow blouse that he wore to the- Keaton Bell: I love... Chioma Nnadi: ... VFR party with... He finally showed up with Kaia at the- Chloe Malle: At the Vanity Fair Oscars party. Chioma Nnadi: At the Vanity Fair Oscar party. Which I thought they, they look good to-... I mean, they always- Christian Allaire: They looked great. Chioma Nnadi: They look genetically perfect together. Chloe Malle: Yeah, they're- they're fine. [laughs] Christian Allaire: I loved his heels on the main carpet. Chloe Malle: Hm. Christian Allaire: You know, I love a man in a heel, and he really pulled it off for me. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: How often do we see that? I mean, is- Christian Allaire: Not as often as you'd think. And it's not even that big of a risk, it's just a little Cuban heel. Keaton Bell: Right. Chloe Malle: Hm. Christian Allaire: But you never see men wear it, and I just think it's so modern when they do. Chloe Malle: Other best dressed for me were Rooney in that sort of archive- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yeah. Chloe Malle: ... Alexander McQueen. Christian Allaire: Hm. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Uh, I wish that she could smile and stand up a little straighter. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: But that's fine. And I thought Hong Chou in the Prada with the train- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yes. Chloe Malle: ... was amazing. Keaton Bell: I loved Hong's dress. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Christian Allaire: No, but I loved Rooney, 'cause I, I was actually surprised more people didn't wear vintage. I thought that was gonna be the big trend of the night. Chloe Malle: The trend, yeah. Christian Allaire: But there wasn't that many. Rooney was one of the few. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, I think Vanessa Hudgens wore- Christian Allaire: A vintage Chanel. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Keaton Bell: And one of my favorites, Cate Blanchett. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, mine too. I'll fight you for her. Christian Allaire: [laughs] Keaton Bell: No, you can have her. Chioma Nnadi: I mean, I'll take, I'll take- Keaton Bell: I have my best dressed, don't worry. Chioma Nnadi: Okay. [laughs] Chloe Malle: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Okay. [laughs] Keaton Bell: I have to go with my girl, Nicole Kidman. Chioma Nnadi: Ah... Chloe Malle: Really, Keaton? Chioma Nnadi: Armani. Keaton Bell: I know, I know. I s- Chloe Malle: The hair? Keaton Bell: Okay, so I'm talking about the dress, not the hair. Chloe Malle: Okay. Keaton Bell: Nicole... Chloe Malle: It's a package. [laughs] Keaton Bell: No, Nicole Kidman, wearer of many kids. I will always- Chloe Malle: [laughs] Keaton Bell: I will always forgive her for a messy hair moment, but like [laughs] that's never been her strength. But her dress, I look at her, and I just see classic movie star. And even just like... I don't know, the big floral moment, and the way she worked it on the carpet. And- Chioma Nnadi: It was Armani, right? Keaton Bell: Yes. It was Armani, and- Chloe Malle: That was Armani's big moment of the night. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Keaton Bell: Was Cate Blanchett Armani also? Chloe Malle: No. That's what- Chioma Nnadi: No. Christian Allaire: Louis Vuitton. Chioma Nnadi: Louis Vuitton. Keaton Bell: Oh, okay. Yes, yes. Chloe Malle: She was Louis Vuitton, so her, her contract must be up. [laughs] Christian Allaire: Sure. [laughs] Keaton Bell: But no, I just really appreciate Nicole kind of just being weird and funky on the red carpet. And I get it, the big floral motifs maybe weren't for everyone. But I just think she kinda worked it, and I appreciate her just going for something a little weirder whenever the theme of the night seemed to be more elegant and restrained. Chloe Malle: Naomi Fry from the New Yorker wrote a funny piece about just how boring the red carpet is now, because everyone's- Keaton Bell: Yes. Chloe Malle: ... so precious. And I did like the very rare moments of people who just seemed to sort of be like, "This might be wrong, but whatever." Keaton Bell: Right. [laughs] Chloe Malle: Like, Jessie Buckley in her Ro- Rodarte- Keaton Bell: Ah... Chloe Malle: ... which had probably more sequins than all of the garment district. And it was fine. Keaton Bell: I loved it. Chioma Nnadi: Not just fine, I thought it was great. Chloe Malle: No, it was great. Christian Allaire: I liked it. Chloe Malle: It wasn't safe. Christian Allaire: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: No, but she doesn't- [inaudible 00:05:29] Chloe Malle: And that's what was fun abo-... I know, we love her. Chioma Nnadi: She's very not safe. Everybody can, but Jessie like, could do no wrong. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I mean, she always... I just thought it was fab. Christian Allaire: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: I mean, they had those huge, kind of like [inaudible 00:05:39] shoulders. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: And it was fully covered. I mean, she was, it was, it was, uh, high on the neck. Chloe Malle: It was a lot of fabric- Chioma Nnadi: It was a lot of fabric. Chloe Malle: ... and a lot of sequins. Chioma Nnadi: A lot of fabric and a lot of sequins. But- Chloe Malle: But like, dark sequins. I mean, it was a very- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, with her red flamer hair. Chloe Malle: ... sort of goth... Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Keaton Bell: Oh, yeah. Chioma Nnadi: She always dyes her hair an interesting color. She's the rebel- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: ... and I think she, you know, it works. I forgot about her. Chloe Malle: Guys, did anyone come wear anything straight off the- the fall runways? 'Cause there is always like a- Keaton Bell: Yes, Lady Gaga- Chloe Malle: ... Oscar season- Keaton Bell: ... wore a Versace dress that literally was on the runway three days ago. Uh... Chloe Malle: Was it the Gigi Hadid one that she wore? Keaton Bell: Yeah, Gigi Hadid wore it on the runway, and low and behold, Gaga got her hands on it. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, and but, I think the big Gaga story of the night was her performance. Keaton Bell: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: Because she went completely bare. Keaton Bell: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: She went from glam- Keaton Bell: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: ... to completely stripped down. Chloe Malle: I want Keaton's take on this. Chioma Nnadi: How do we all feel about this? Chloe Malle: What is happening? [laughs] Keaton Bell: Me and hersh- Chloe Malle: And then did she put makeup back on for a party? Keaton Bell: Listen, that was the question me and my entire viewing party were trying to decide, because- Chloe Malle: [laughs] Keaton Bell: ... I mean, just imagine the makeup wipe backstage of her just trying to like, wipe off that Harley Quinn makeup that like, she came in, like... I loved the like, overly glam Gaga that we got on the carpet. And based on her last two Oscars performances, for that Sound of Music tribute and for when she did Shallow, I really expected her to kind of go for that rarefied Gaga in like- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Keaton Bell: ... full prestige Oscar glam moment. So, whenever I saw her on that stage in her like, Joanne dive bar like- Chloe Malle: [laughs] Keaton Bell: ... tee shirt, and jeans, and Converse. With like, a little waft of like, the pink lipstick still on her lips. Like... Chloe Malle: [laughs] Keaton Bell: I was into it, to be honest. Chioma Nnadi: Me too. Keaton Bell: Just 'cause I, I fully expected her to like, be overblown Chromatica Ball Gaga. Because she's been performing that song, Hold my Hand, as the final song on that tour for the past three months. And in that performance, she has like, a metal claw, and a leather biker jacket, and crazy makeup. So for her to get on that stage and just give like, that theater kid speech about being seen, and this song being so special to her, and writing it in her basement. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Keaton Bell: Being on that stool and just like, giving us like, like reminding us that like, at the end of the day, Gaga is like, a theater kid. I enjoyed it, and I kinda liked how understated it was. Chloe Malle: That's a good point. Chioma Nnadi: I'm with you. I'm with you. Keaton Bell: Especially compared to Rihanna, who literally like, was risen on a podium. Chioma Nnadi: Let's not compare them. Christian Allaire: [laughs] Keaton Bell: No, no. Of course. But for an evening of best original song performances, I liked that Rihanna gave us like- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Keaton Bell: ... rising podium. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, it was great. I loved that. Keaton Bell: Diamonds, pantsuit, bralette, orchestra. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: It was definitely a juxtaposition. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: It was a- Keaton Bell: Exactly. Chioma Nnadi: It was cool. It was very cool. I did like the juxtaposition, and I, you know, obviously Rihanna in her Margiela was one of my best dressed of the night. Chloe Malle: Yeah, who was your be- best dressed? Keaton Bell: Who was your best dressed? Chioma Nnadi: Rihanna, probably, in the Margiela. Keaton Bell: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I also loved Cate Blanchett. I just loved that sort of blue velvet. Keaton Bell: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: I love draping. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: You know, I love a sort of slightly Grecian, but with a strong shoulder. And then everybody's been wearing those blue ribbons. She's been wearing them. Keaton Bell: Yes, yes. Chloe Malle: Do we know what those are for? Chioma Nnadi: Yes, they're for the refugee crisis. And, um, I also liked, um, Michelle Williams in the Chanel. Christian Allaire: Mm. Chloe Malle: Also someone who always looks flawless. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. And Jessie Buckley, for me, being the... Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I love a red carpet rebel who- who pulls it off. Keaton Bell: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: And she does. And I think we need some excitement on that carpet. Christian Allaire: Hm... Keaton Bell: Is it rude to talk about a red carpet rebel who I think never pulls it off? Chioma Nnadi: Yes, go for it. Chloe Malle: Go for it, Keaton. Keaton Bell: I love Florence Pugh with my entire heart. Chloe Malle: Oh, I know. Chioma Nnadi: Ah... Keaton Bell: That girl needs some help when it comes to getting dressed. Like, I, it looks like a crumpled bed sheet, and her hair was very like, retro futuristic. Like, it looks like the Jetsons- Chloe Malle: The hair was fascinating, because it was actually a ponytail brought down to make bangs. Keaton Bell: Sure. Chioma Nnadi: Oh. Keaton Bell: And I'm happy for her. [laughs] Like, for taking risks and- Chloe Malle: It was wild. Keaton Bell: I- I love her, and I think she looked amazing. But I just think some, I, I think she is someone who sometimes takes risks without much payoff. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, I think she- Chloe Malle: Yep. Chioma Nnadi: ... clearly enjoys getting dressed. Keaton Bell: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: It's so funny. I had an ex boyfriend who used to... every time I used to come out of the fitting room, his thing was just looking at my face to look if I was happy. 'Cause he was like, "I don't know if I like the dress or I like the look." She looks happy. Keaton Bell: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: You know? Like- Chloe Malle: Yeah, yeah. Christian Allaire: Sure. Keaton Bell: She looks like she's having a blast on the carpet. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, exactly. Chloe Malle: Which, which is the point that everyone keeps making about how carpets are too fussy now- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... and everyone's too precious. Christian Allaire: Sure. Chloe Malle: And it's not precious. Chioma Nnadi: Just have a blast. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Keaton Bell: Fair. And I think it's more so, I just look at Florence, and I'm curious like, what- Chloe Malle: It was a- Keaton Bell: ... her personal style is, because she always looks like so, overly... Chioma Nnadi: I think she's quite involved. Keaton Bell: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I think she loves the big- Chloe Malle: Her personal style is hot pants and a bed sheet. [laughs] Keaton Bell: What did you guys think of Michelle Yeoh and her Oscar winning dress? Or the dress she won, that her Oscar in? Christian Allaire: Well, it was a continuation of a big turned of the night, which was everyone was wearing bridal-esque- Chloe Malle: Good point. Christian Allaire: ... fashion. Keaton Bell: Oh, yeah. Christian Allaire: Everyone was in white. So, I mean, but she was maybe my favorite white look? Keaton Bell: Mm. Christian Allaire: I mean, the Dior was amazing on her. She could wear literally anything. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Christian Allaire: It was really fabulous. Chloe Malle: It was all feathers. Christian Allaire: All feathers. Chloe Malle: I mean, it was sort of her white swan- Christian Allaire: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... moment. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: I- I liked it. It wasn't my favorite dress of the night. Chioma Nnadi: Me either, but I liked it. Chloe Malle: It was- Christian Allaire: She's worn better dresses this awards season, for sure. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Christian Allaire: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: More risky... I think she knew she was gonna win. Christian Allaire: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I guess it's almost like, your wedding day, right? You want a dress that looks kind of timeless, not too trendy- Christian Allaire: Mm... Chioma Nnadi: ... and kind of just classically beautiful. Christian Allaire: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: And maybe that was what she was thinking. 'Cause I, those are the photographs that you're gonna have look back on, right? Chloe Malle: Yeah. Keaton Bell: Oh, yeah. Christian Allaire: I was trying to think though, like why so many people wore white? I always try to get into people's psyche. Chioma Nnadi: I don't know, would it ha-, did it have something to do with the champagne colored carpet, or no? Christian Allaire: It could, it could be... It's just, it was very surprising. It was like, half the carpet was in bridal. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: I feel like that's a conversation like, every couple of years though. Like, I feel like people do gravitate towards that for some reason. I would think it- Chioma Nnadi: But white, I find it's really difficult to wear. I don't... white, you see every lump and bump. Christian Allaire: [laughs] Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I'm not wearing white if I'm going on the red carpet. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I want to feel like... Chloe Malle: You have to be as tight as Emily Blunt to really wear... Chioma Nnadi: Well, maybe it's the- the Ozempic people are Ozempic'd up. They're feeling good about their bodies. Chloe Malle: It's time for white. Christian Allaire: [laughs] Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: It's time for white. [laughs] I think we need to take a second to talk about the guys, because the men- Christian Allaire: For sure. Chioma Nnadi: ... have made... I don't know if our, if our listeners have noticed, but over the years like, basically men have become part of the best dressed list. Christian Allaire: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: Which they weren't before. Chloe Malle: They never were. Chioma Nnadi: No. No. And- Chloe Malle: I used- Chioma Nnadi: ... Chloe used to do it. Chloe Malle: I used to do the best dressed list 10 years ago- Chioma Nnadi: You need to catch up. [laughs] Christian Allaire: [laughs] Chloe Malle: ... and there were never men on it. Keaton Bell: Hm. Chloe Malle: And now, I mean, Chioma loved Riz Ahmed... I love Riz Ahmed- Christian Allaire: Love. Chloe Malle: ... as an individual. I thought the color was, it was a little much for me in this situation. Keaton Bell: I agree. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Prada. That was straight off the runway, wasn't it? Christian Allaire: Yeah. I loved it. Chloe Malle: Okay, great. Christian Allaire: No shirt underneath, I don't know. I was into it. I do- I will say, though, the men played it a little safe last night. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Keaton Bell: Yeah. Christian Allaire: Like, I feel like at the SAGs, men took a lot of risks. And then, I don't know, some- something went awry at the Oscars. It was very [inaudible 00:12:00]... Chloe Malle: Always the case at the Oscars. Where people are like, "Eh, I don't know want to have my picture..." It's more like your wedding. Keaton Bell: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: It's like, I don't want my pictures from the Oscars- Keaton Bell: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: ... where I'm wearing this crazy Prada collar. [laughs] Christian Allaire: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Well, maybe you do. Christian Allaire: Was that a jab at Timothy Chalamet for his harness moment? [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: That's exactly... Timmy. Chloe Malle: He had a, he was... the Michael B. Jordan double broach. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yeah. Christian Allaire: Yeah, there was a lot of broaches last night. Chloe Malle: Really chic, beautiful. Chioma Nnadi: He looked hot. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Christian Allaire: Louis Vuitton, he was wearing, I think. Chloe Malle: Oh, really? Christian Allaire: Michael B. Jordan. Yeah. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: He takes some risks sometimes. I like him in a more classic look, to be honest. Christian Allaire: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: I don't see him as like, a red carpet man. Christian Allaire: No, he's classic, for sure. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Keaton Bell: What did you guys think of Jonathan Majors? Chloe Malle: I- It was not for me. Chioma Nnadi: Not for me. Mm-mm. Keaton Bell: Yeah, I wasn't a fan either. Chioma Nnadi: I think he needed some adjusting on the tailoring. Chloe Malle: He looked like an extra on Lincoln. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Keaton Bell: Right, it was very 1800s. [laughs] Chloe Malle: It was not- Chioma Nnadi: Also, like the muscles... either he's like, got more buff- Keaton Bell: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: ... from when he got that suit fitted... like, it was straining to, to contain the muscles. Keaton Bell: He looked uncomfortable. Christian Allaire: Mm... Keaton Bell: Yes. Chloe Malle: Eh... Christian Allaire: And that's something, you never want someone to look uncomfortable. I think that's why I loved ev- Eddie Redmayne, is even when he took- Keaton Bell: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Christian Allaire: ... major risks- Chioma Nnadi: He- he always looked comfy. Christian Allaire: ... he looked comfortable. He was owning it. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Who are your favorite, uh, plus one? Chioma Nnadi: I mean, I just, I love seeing everybody's partners in the audience, just look at them googly-eyed. 'Cause I'm like, "Ah, that is so sweet." They- Christian Allaire: Yeah, like, like ASAP was- Chioma Nnadi: Like ASAP Rocky, yes. Christian Allaire: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: He was like, best supporting partner. I was like, yes. Keaton Bell: Oh, well also, um, I did tear up a little bit when Ke Huy Quan won. Chloe Malle: Oh, my gosh. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Keaton Bell: And you just saw his wife beaming from the audience. And she looked stunning as well. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Keaton Bell: To the point that everyone at my viewing party was like, "Who is that?" [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Keaton Bell: And she was just like, the most beautiful crier in the audience. Um... Chioma Nnadi: It's hard to do a beautiful cry. Keaton Bell: I know, but leave it to the spouse of someone winning an Oscar. [laughs] Chloe Malle: Yeah, exactly. Keaton Bell: Like, they'll make it look nice. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Keaton Bell: No, I- I love a spouse moment. Chloe Malle: With that, thank you gentlemen, so much- Keaton Bell: Thank you. Chloe Malle: ... for joining us on this very early Monday morning. Chioma Nnadi: This has been really fun. Chloe Malle: And, uh- Christian Allaire: Thank you for having us. Chloe Malle: ... happy Oscars week. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, happy Oscars week. Keaton Bell: Happy Oscars week. Chloe Malle: Well, I guess it's not really Oscars week anymore. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: Happy Oscars week that was. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Um, so now that we've wrapped up with Ke-, with our lovely friends and colleagues, Keaton and Christian... we are going to talk about the ceremony with our dear friends and colleagues, Taylor Antrim, who's the deputy editor editor of Vogue. And, uh, Marley Marius, who is the features editor at Vogue. Chloe Malle: All right, highlights? Taylor Antrim: Yeah, should we start with the good stuff? Chloe Malle: Low lights? Taylor Antrim: I thought we should start with the good stuff. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, please. Chloe Malle: Okay, fine. Chioma Nnadi: Please start with the good. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: It's a short list though, right? Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Marley Marius: Honestly... Taylor Antrim: I mean, what do we think? Marley Marius: I mean, good but expected wins in the acting categories. Well, good... I'd say two of the four were good. I'm, slightly questioned... okay, we're starting with good. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: Yeah. Marley Marius: Ke Huy Quan... great. Taylor Antrim: Great. Chloe Malle: Ah. And so sincere. You love a sincere win. Taylor Antrim: So sincere. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Marley Marius: And he's maintained that level of sincerity for, at this point, months and months. That movie came out a year ago. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: Yeah. Marley Marius: And he's been thrilled to be on the campaign trail, thrilled to accept those awards. Chloe Malle: Did you see that picture of him and Harrison Ford- Marley Marius: Yes. Chloe Malle: ... reunited? Marley Marius: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: Aw. Taylor Antrim: Yeah, they held the camera on him for a long time. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: When Harrison Ford was on stage... they knew what they were doing. Chloe Malle: Okay, okay. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: Over at ABC. Marley Marius: Totally. Chloe Malle: Do you think that's why they had Harrison present? Marley Marius: I think so. Taylor Antrim: I mean, Harrison's having a moment. He's in like, four shows. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Taylor Antrim: He's 90 de- years old. I don't know why he's- Chloe Malle: He's 90 degrees. Taylor Antrim: ... working so hard. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, how old is he actually? Taylor Antrim: I- Chioma Nnadi: I'm checking. Marley Marius: He was giving old. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: He was giving old. He was giving, like- Chloe Malle: Well, so is Hugh Grant, so... [laughs] [inaudible 00:15:18] Chioma Nnadi: He's 80. Marley Marius: Oh, hm... Taylor Antrim: Harrison was getting like, mad at the teleprompter for the length of my intro vibes. Marley Marius: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: You said, Ke, Ke had some sincerity in his speech, right? Marley Marius: Yeah, yeah. Taylor Antrim: I would say the whole night had a note of sincerity about it. Marley Marius: Yes. Taylor Antrim: Which maybe worked with [inaudible 00:15:36]. But we're- we're focusing on the positives, right? Chloe Malle: Oh, you think the sincerity was bad? Taylor Antrim: Well, okay... Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: So, my big thing is that it was a, it was a night for like, male emo speeches. Chloe Malle: Oh, yeah. Marley Marius: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Chioma was kvelling when everyone was crying. Chioma Nnadi: I liked that. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: More men cried last night than like- Chioma Nnadi: Than ever. Taylor Antrim: ... you know, since an Iron John workshop in the 90s. I mean, it was just so... one teary eyed like, male after another. You know? And you know, I thought to myself, so all the statistics... bare with me, guys. [laughs] Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: All the statistics on, um, American men are pretty grim right now. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: Like college enrollment, like work force... and I thought what we were seeing from the Oscars stage was like a cry from help, cry for help. Marley Marius: [laughs] Chloe Malle: I feel like this might be a Taylor Antrim cry for help. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: It could, it could have been. It could have been. It was like- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: ... it was like, the kids were asleep... Everyone was asleep in my apartment except for me. But yeah, the men kept having feels on stage. And I thought, you know, it- it's telling us something about where- where men are in Hollywood right now. Marley Marius: [laughs] The state of American masculinity. Taylor Antrim: There you go, there you go. That's my big take. Marley Marius: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: But you were charmed by it. Chioma Nnadi: I liked it. I was charmed by it. I think, I think we need to see more of that. I think men are having, you know... there's a lot of feelings that men are not expressing, especially American men. So, I'm always- Chloe Malle: ASAP was feeling... the men in the- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: We were just saying before that like, the plus one, the- the Oscar husband was a, a nice moment last night. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, it was a really nice moment. What did we think of the, the host? What did we think of Jimmy? Chloe Malle: U- useless. We don't need to talk about it. Marley Marius: Oh, no, wow. Okay. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: I thought he was funny. I actually thought he was funny. Chioma Nnadi: Moving on. [laughs] Chloe Malle: No, actually, that's not true. L. Ron Hubba Hubba was very funny. Taylor Antrim: Very funny. The editing joke about how important editing is, that you can, you can- Marley Marius: Yes. Taylor Antrim: ... boil down like, 4,000 hours of footage into like, 20 minutes of like, tourists walking through the Capitol. That was funny too. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Marley Marius: Yes. Yes. He was... I think they needed, they wanted kind of a safe bet. I think they wanted like a sure thing. Chloe Malle: I know. I- I love Jimmy. I just- Marley Marius: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... think it was a very safe... Marley Marius: Yeah. Chloe Malle: There was, there was not a thrill there. Taylor Antrim: I mean, not to be crass, but I feel like that broadcast could have used a slap by hour three. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, my God, I know. Marley Marius: Ba- dum- ch. Chioma Nnadi: That was so exciting looking back. Chloe Malle: I know. Chioma Nnadi: It made the Oscars... I was just so looking forward to it. Chloe Malle: There was definitely no slap or like, Moonlight v. La La Land. Chioma Nnadi: No. Marley Marius: No. Taylor Antrim: No. Chioma Nnadi: Nothing went wrong. It was... Taylor Antrim: I mean, I thought it was vaguely exciting when All Quiet stared to make a run at about- Marley Marius: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: Right... Marley Marius: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: ... at about hour one and a half of the broadcast. Chloe Malle: Guess who else thought that was exciting? No one. Marley Marius: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Well, many German accents. [inaudible 00:17:53] Taylor Antrim: That's right. That's right, that's right. No, but the, uh, the- the male cinematographer for All Quiet was one of our crying heroes. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yeah. He was. Taylor Antrim: He was so charming. Chloe Malle: Yeah, but was he crying, or was he, did he have something in his eye? [laughs] Taylor Antrim: That's a great question. Same could be said of John Travolta, of Brendan Fraser... like, I wasn't clear... Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: I wasn't clear if they were hyperventilating or crying, but it was emotions. Chloe Malle: Brendan for sure was having a hard time. Chioma Nnadi: We need to talk about that speech. Taylor Antrim: Oh my goodness. Chioma Nnadi: Guys, the whale metaphor... please. Taylor Antrim: That was a surprise. Chloe Malle: Oh, huge. Taylor Antrim: I did not see that coming. Chloe Malle: Marley saw that coming. Marley Marius: Well, because he won the SAG. So, that made me question whether Austin Butler was gonna go all the way. Even though until then, it seemed like he was. And then... yeah. But then once he won, I was like, "Oh, no." But also, it was between the two of them. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Taylor Antrim: And Colin had no, Colin Farrell had no hope. Marley Marius: Pretty much, no. Chioma Nnadi: I love that movie. Marley Marius: Which is awful. Chioma Nnadi: I love that movie. Taylor Antrim: Heartbreaker. Marley Marius: But the fact that that got zero Oscars... sad. So many got zero. Chioma Nnadi: Zero? Did it? Zero? Chloe Malle: But you know what? Marley Marius: Zero, yeah. Chloe Malle: I think even though it got zero, and we can talk about the other elephant in the room that got zero... I feel like Banshees had such good will. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: And even at the Oscars, there was such like, love and appreciation for that movie- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... that it felt like it didn't matter that nothing won. Taylor Antrim: I feel like 12 people saw it. I, listen, I loved that movie. Tar and Banshees both totally shut out- Marley Marius: Yeah, me too. Taylor Antrim: ... were my two favorite movies of the year, so I definitely think- Marley Marius: Yeah. Chloe Malle: So, you're definitely feeling the culture, the vibe. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. I'm standing at the Vanguard of culture as usual. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: I liked Triangle of Sadness too, but I don't know if it was Oscar worthy. But I liked that too. Taylor Antrim: Right, that's... yeah. Marley Marius: But then also like Elvis shut out, Fablemans shut out. Those two felt maybe more surprising, just in the sense of like, the audience, that they were playing to. Chloe Malle: That felt historically... like, historic Oscar movies that were- Marley Marius: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... that was a surprising turn. Marley Marius: But like, Elvis, even for like, you know... co- I thought CM was gonna win something for like, costuming, for production design. It was like, such a big, so in your face- Chloe Malle: CM meaning Catherine Martin. Marley Marius: Thank you, yes. W- wife of [inaudible 00:19:40]. Chloe Malle: Marley has a close short hand. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: [laughs] Marley Marius: Yes, sorry, excuse me. [laughs] Chloe Malle: [laughs] Marley Marius: Um, but yeah, that movie was so in your face about everything that it was doing in good ways and in more debatable ways. So, I was just surprised that it didn't really get anything. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: I mean, Everything Everywhere All at Once has like, a historic night. And it- it won an unprecedented number of Oscars. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: And it- it's this conundrum with this movie, where I don't quite know where to place it. It doesn't seem like it's beloved by many people. Marley Marius: Right. Chioma Nnadi: It's not my favorite. Chloe Malle: It's not for me. Taylor Antrim: It, it came out like a year ago- Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: ... and it's just been quietly building. But, um, am- am I wrong? No, no film has ever run the table on the- Marley Marius: Right. Taylor Antrim: ... acting categories before. Marley Marius: Right, right. Pretty much. Taylor Antrim: And here's this movie with these young directors- Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: ... and you know, they were all over the stage. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: I mean, they- their speeches were quite emo and quite something. Um, I- I- I can't bring myself to root for it and be happy about it, because I didn't love that movie. Chloe Malle: I know. Taylor Antrim: But, um, it was, it was a historic thing, you know? Chioma Nnadi: I will say that I think that the actors in it did a good job of holding it together. Taylor Antrim: Mm... Chioma Nnadi: Michelle did a good job- Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: ... of holding it together. Because it's so, it was just so, sprawling. Yeah, I just, it was... you know, it was kind of like, head spinning, watching it for me. Chloe Malle: I agree. Marley Marius: With like Jamie Lee Curtis, like I, I- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yeah. Marley Marius: ... think there was a bit of- Chioma Nnadi: I didn't love her performance. Marley Marius: ... a kind of like... Chioma Nnadi: It was, it was performative in a bad way. Marley Marius: And it was not... it just did not strike me as like, Oscar, an Oscar-y performance in any way. Chioma Nnadi: No, it was so two dimensional. There was no, there was no nuance to that category at- at all. Marley Marius: Like it, it was funny, but like, yeah- Chloe Malle: I fell asleep. Marley Marius: ... on a- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Marley Marius: ... performance level, I was like, "This is..." I mean, maybe it's just, you know, she's 64, she's Hollywood royalty. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Marley Marius: She's been around a long time. She's been really enthusiastic about her- Chloe Malle: I'm telling you, that [inaudible 00:21:20] Baby article really helped push that campaign through. Marley Marius: Oh, my God. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Marley Marius: Um, it became her main talking point [laughs] for the past few months. He was like, a great cheerleader for her, you know, cast and for her colleagues. But I was still kind of like, that was a more interesting category. Like, that was an interesting category, supporting actress. And you know, Kerry Condon did a, did a, did a great job. Angela Bassett obviously, it would have been a huge moment for her. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Marley Marius: And there was like a devastating two second clip of like, they're focusing on her face when she lost. And her face completely falls. Chloe Malle: Aw... Marley Marius: Like, it mattered to her [laughs] that she lost. Even like, you know, Stephanie Hsu, also in Everything Everywhere All at Once. I thought her performance was better than Tammy Lee's, but like, I don't know. I guess I can't... Taylor Antrim: I mean, we- we should talk about the sponcon. I mean, so you've got, you've got 100 years of Warner Brothers for no good reason. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: You've got the, um, the Little Mermaid thing, and then the ad for the museum. The academy, the academy museum. Marley Marius: But that's been an ongoing thing. Chloe Malle: Yeah, but that, that makes sense. Marley Marius: That's their revenue drive there. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: But I mean, time I money, guys, we- I want to go to bed. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: And I was like, this is the first hour. What are we doing? Marley Marius: I know. Chioma Nnadi: How many- Taylor Antrim: And all the musical performances. Chioma Nnadi: ... how long was it? Taylor Antrim: Should we have all five songs? Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yeah. Marley Marius: Zero. We should have none of them. Chloe Malle: That was Chioma's favorite part. Don't take it away from her. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: Which? Which? Tell me, tell me. Chioma Nnadi: Just having some- something else, other than an award. Like, just having a performance broke it up, don't you think? No? Chloe Malle: Like, I could do with like, half of them. Taylor Antrim: Yeah, but it's- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: ... you can't, you can't- Chloe Malle: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: You can't really, you can't do... you have to do more, don't you? Taylor Antrim: That's not how it works, unfortunately. Chioma Nnadi: You have to do more. Right? Taylor Antrim: And you don't want the- Chloe Malle: You have to do all the nominees. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Taylor Antrim: And you don't want that show without the RRR song, which is great. Chloe Malle: Ah. That's so good. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: It was great. Marley Marius: It was great. Taylor Antrim: It was great. Chioma Nnadi: But it- it means that they get people like Gaga and- Marley Marius: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: ... and- and Rihanna to come. You can never get rid of it. Chloe Malle: You need that, you need Rihanna for that star moment. Chioma Nnadi: It was- Taylor Antrim: And they got Rihanna, you're right. But that was a snooze. I'm sorry, I know. I know, I know. But like, I thought that performance was like... ooh. Chloe Malle: But did you see ASAP watching her? Taylor Antrim: No. Chloe Malle: Ah, swoon. Taylor Antrim: Did he cry? Chioma Nnadi: He looked- Chloe Malle: Almost. Chioma Nnadi: He just looked so like- Chloe Malle: Adoring. Chioma Nnadi: ... just full of love. Taylor Antrim: Yeah, that was de- Chloe Malle: What was the worst moment? Marley Marius: Oof... Taylor Antrim: Oh, boy. Marley Marius: It's a race to the bull. I don't know. [laughs] Chloe Malle: Hm... Marley Marius: 'Cause I feel like there are large spots I don't remember, because I was like, "I'm bored." Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, same. Marley Marius: And it's also a bit unavoidable. I'm kind of like, what do I even want from the Oscars? Like, what would help them to sort of capture my attention? I don't even know what that is at this point. Taylor Antrim: It made you feel as if you really don't need to watch the Oscars broadcast. Like, the- Chloe Malle: Yes. Taylor Antrim: ... next day, you can- Chloe Malle: So true. Taylor Antrim: ... the three moments that people are talking about. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: You can read the list of awards and sort of like, read some reviews. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: And if, you know, ABC needs people to come back and watch the Oscars, they have to do a better job of giving you a reason to sit there- Chloe Malle: Yes. Taylor Antrim: ... for three and a half hours. Marley Marius: Yeah. Chloe Malle: I- I think that's right. Marley Marius: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: I feel like there is one thing that we have to talk about which is Sarah Polley wins. That was a good thing, right? Chloe Malle: Oh, yes. Marley Marius: That was good. Chioma Nnadi: That was great. Chloe Malle: Yeah, that was- Chioma Nnadi: That was great. Marley Marius: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I didn't love her suit, but it was- Chloe Malle: We didn't love her- Chioma Nnadi: ... we didn't love her look. Chloe Malle: No. Chioma Nnadi: With the glasses, it was a bit much. Chloe Malle: No. Chioma Nnadi: Um, that was great. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: It was a really great moment. Taylor Antrim: For a movie that seemed like it was... from Women Talking, it seemed like it was perilously close to being like, shut out entirely. Chloe Malle: Totally. Marley Marius: Yep. Taylor Antrim: It- it was nice to see that win. Chioma Nnadi: I agree. It was great. Marley Marius: I think, I feel like early ,early on when I first heard about that movie, it seemed like it was gonna be huge. Taylor Antrim: Yeah, I thought so too. Marley Marius: Like, between its like, cast and the mu-, like even- Chloe Malle: I mean, but the... I am fascinated by the like, the Oscar campaign machine. Marley Marius: Oh, yeah. Chloe Malle: Did you see our, uh, sometime Vogue writer and friend, [Arina 00:24:32] Alexander, wrote a very good piece I thought, about Oscar campaign bloodsport and the politics behind it. Taylor Antrim: I haven't read that. Chloe Malle: And, uh, it was t- she starts talking about the Andrea Riseborough drama. Marley Marius: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: But also the war rooms that go into- Marley Marius: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: ... planning what the strategy is gonna be for each of these movies, and how sometimes they can just backfire- Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... and it's hard to control it. And I think Women Talking, it was sort of an example of that. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: I confess, I don't fully understand the- the campaign thing. I just feel like, you know, are these, are these academy voters so impressionable that- Chloe Malle: Yes. Taylor Antrim: ... you know, they can be persuaded- Chioma Nnadi: Really? Taylor Antrim: ... by lunches, and gift bags, and that kind- Chloe Malle: Yes. Taylor Antrim: ... of thing? Marley Marius: Seemingly. Chloe Malle: As some-... I, someone whose mother is an older academy voter. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: [laughs] Chloe Malle: I would just like to say that... Taylor Antrim: Say more, say more. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: She... Marley Marius: [inaudible 00:25:20] [laughs] Chloe Malle: I can just tell that when she is seeing like, huge New York Times profiles about someone, she's more inspired to see the movie. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: When she's invited to a lunch where someone is talking about the movie, she's more inclined to- to think about it. Marley Marius: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: When it's, a friend of hers is writing her, like, "Oh, you have to watch so-and-so. I went to the scre-..." I- I- I think that that kind of organic, very personal campaigning really works. Taylor Antrim: Right. Marley Marius: Yeah. Yeah. I think that's true. Taylor Antrim: Well, [inaudible 00:25:49] argument... why did so many people watch two and a half hours of All Quiet on the Western Front, and- Marley Marius: Yeah... Taylor Antrim: ... this movie- Chloe Malle: Did people watch it? Taylor Antrim: I think that movie's good. I mean, I- I- Chloe Malle: I didn't see it. Taylor Antrim: I mean, it's, I al- I also think the other thing, uh, behind the All Quiet momentum was the war in Ukraine. I feel like- Chloe Malle: Hm... Marley Marius: Right. That makes sense. Taylor Antrim: ... a pacifist, classic pacifist novel, an anti-war movie about a war in Europe, um, is really resonant right now. Marley Marius: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: Sure. Taylor Antrim: And so, I feel like people were sort of making a political statement with that. Which brings me to one other positive thing I want to say... Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: I thought Navalny winning- Marley Marius: Yes. Taylor Antrim: ... the best documentary- Marley Marius: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Oh, yeah. Taylor Antrim: ... was a cool moment. And I thought Yulia Navalnaya in her red Chloe- Chioma Nnadi: She's so chic. I was like, wow. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: I know. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: She blew the roof off. Marley Marius: Yeah, she did. Taylor Antrim: And she made a powerful statement about her husband, who's still in a Russian prison. And her daughter, Daria, and son were right beside her. Marley Marius: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: And I thought that was a really nice moment. Marley Marius: It was. Chioma Nnadi: It was sweet. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: It's a great movie. Everybody should see it. Chioma Nnadi: Well, that's it, guys. Thanks so much for joining us, and that was the... our wonderful- Chloe Malle: Especially on- Chioma Nnadi: ... Oscar special. Chloe Malle: ... early morning- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... after a late night. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Yes. Chloe Malle: Bye. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: Bye, thanks. Thanks, [inaudible 00:26:53]. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: Wait, I want to take a picture of you guys with your headphones. Marley Marius: Oh, my God. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Marley Marius: Podcast mode. Chloe Malle: Now, I was kind of hoping to see Natasha Lyonne- Chioma Nnadi: Me too. Chloe Malle: ... at the Vanity Fair party. Or, I don't know, she's been looking fantastic. She's been- Chioma Nnadi: She has. Chloe Malle: ... dressing great and has been really- Chioma Nnadi: And Schiaparelli was one of her best moments. Chloe Malle: Oh, really? I didn't see that. Chioma Nnadi: Yep, yep. Chloe Malle: She's really been out and about the last month or so. And last week was the finale of Poker Face. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: Her, her big show. It's on every, uh, bus that I see, so I feel like I'm faced with- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: ... her face, whenever I'm walking Artie to school. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: We got her on the show. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Chloe Malle: To talk about the finale and- Chioma Nnadi: We did. Chloe Malle: ... speaking of Oscars hosting, she hosted the CFDA awards, and- Chioma Nnadi: And was fab. Chloe Malle: ... I mean, she should have been the Oscars host. Chioma Nnadi: I think she, she would make a great Oscars host. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: I think we need to start that campaign. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: I mean, she's also such a New York girl. I love talking to her about... Chloe Malle: Rats. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] The mayor. Chloe Malle: She sat next to the mayor and talked about rats. Chioma Nnadi: She did. She did. And she's been acting her whole... I didn't know she's been acting her whole life. She started acting at age six. Chloe Malle: Yeah, she was in Pee-wee's Playhouse. She was in, uh, Nora Ephron's Heartburn, which I didn't realize. Chioma Nnadi: Me either. Chloe Malle: Um... Chioma Nnadi: But I guess everyone knows her from Orange is the New Black, right? That's when- Chloe Malle: And Russian Doll. Chioma Nnadi: And Russian Doll. Chloe Malle: Yeah, I feel like she, she took a hiatus for a while, and then came back with Orange is the New Black and Russian Doll. And now she's a powerhouse. She's directing- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... she's creating, she's producing. So, it was, it was interesting to get a little, uh, bird's eye view into the Natasha Leon- Chioma Nnadi: It was. Chloe Malle: ... megaverse. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. [laughs] Chloe Malle: We, uh, Zoomed with her, uh, from her house in LA, and it was a few weeks after fashion week. But I just feel like she was, she was such a fun, ubiquitous presence at New York fashion week, that we- Chioma Nnadi: She was. Chloe Malle: ... wanted to- Chioma Nnadi: The Proenza designers are friends of hers, and she went out to support her, her bestie, Chloe Sevigny, who opened that show. Chloe Malle: And she went to Rodarte, and she was- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. She went to Rodarte. Chloe Malle: ... at the Caviar Kaspia dinner with the mayor. Chioma Nnadi: She was out and about. Chloe Malle: Yeah. We congratulated her on the finale of Poker Face, and I asked her [laughs] what it was like working with my fav- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: ... one of my favorites of her co-stars, which was a giant buzzard. [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: The buzzard was weird, 'cause I, you know, I actually like, I'd landed sort of like, the night before. And I'd gotten three hours of sleep, went to work, and there was a buzzard there. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: And I was really like, not fully present. Which is probably for the best, 'cause I was just like [laughs], this is sketchy... and laying down. It's one of those things that like, you don't, you don't really think about it. And, uh, and the writers always... like, you know, Alice Drew wrote that episode, who I love. She's also a writer from Russian Doll, and she's brilliant. And, uh, Ann Ryan was directing that episode. I think loving them both, it sort of never occurred to me, in a way, that it was in the script. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think if you don't know people, you're more apt to be like, "It says here, I jump out of a, a Mac truck. How does that work?" You know what I mean? And, "What's the plan for that?" It was Ryan and Alice, so I was like, "Oh, it's great. It'll... a buzzard. Whatever. It's... you know, one line of stage direction." And then I got there, and I was like on three hours of sleep like, [laughs] "What's going on?" And, uh, it was fine. It was, uh, well behaved, and... Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: Maybe the concern is, I was like... in many ways, sometimes I- I worry that I, I smoke so much, that it's like I'm dead already. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: And does the buzzard know that? You know what I mean? Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: But, but... it was over fairly quickly. Uh, and maybe the biggest challenge was, you know, it's a very, um, it's like a- a work intensive job also. You know, I- I had to memorize like 60 pages a week, and so you really, you know, you can't just be like, "I think maybe, uh... is there something about my style of acting or something, you know, that might make people think I'm not doing any work or something?" But you know, it's actually, it's a pretty, I'm a pretty, uh, worky, you know, type person. And yeah, these are big undertakings, making these things. You know? Like they're... of- of course, movies can often be like that. But I think these TV shows, like Russian Doll takes me three years to write it, and prep it, and shoot it, and edit it. You know, I- I don't do those things alone, of course. But it's... they're- they're big, kind of, you know, cahonas. And you really gotta stay in the game the whole way through. Chioma Nnadi: We loved seeing you at New York Fashion Week cheering on your buddy, Chloe Sevigny, at the Proenza show. Natasha Lyonne: That was great. I mean, I really like... there are definite pros of being a New Yorker. 'Cause you know, you really, you grow up with people. Like Jack and Lazaro, you know, I've probably known for 20 years. And I know them of course, through Chloe, who I've known also for 20 years. And we've been sisters that whole time. Chloe Malle: And of people who may not know, we're talking about Jack McCullough and Lazaro Hernandez, the designers of Parenza. And Chloe Sevigny, who walked the runway show in, for Proenza. Chioma Nnadi: Opened, yeah. Opened it. Chloe Malle: Opened, sorry. Natasha Lyonne: She opened the show, and she also did the, um, whatever you would call it... the sound design or something. Chloe Malle: And you sat with her son, Vanja, who's the same age as my son. And I thought, my son would have had such a hard time seeing me walk down a runway and not talk to him. Natasha Lyonne: [laughs] Chloe Malle: What was happening for Vanja in his head? [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: You want me to tell you what was going on in Vanja's head? Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: That's right. Natasha Lyonne: Okay, no problem. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: I'm talking all questions. Um, Vanja was thinking, "Well, what a show." Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: Um, "I love that it's, uh, it's so arty. So many of these things would look great on a gallerist." Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: Uh, you know, it was fun. So, you know, Vanja was like comparing it to- to past seasons. He had Googled all the other seasons on Vogue runway, and- Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: ... and he was like, and he was thinking the whole time, "Honestly, after my mother opened, it was all downhill." Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: "And I'm not saying that's 'cause of the fashion, it's just a fact of life, you know? She had it, and they had less than- than she did." And- and you know, so I think he was thinking a lot about that, and, and after the show, Vanja went in the stroller. Dad went to work. And then, we went, were gonna go find a playground. But then we were like, "No, no, no, no... Vanja will walk home. We'll all meet at home when he's napping." So, we went to go see... Lizzy and I went to go see her art show at Tramps. And then we were like, we'll meet back. But then what happened... this is really, this is fascinating stuff. Chloe and Vanja went to a playground, but there were six playgrounds in the vicinity. So, Lizzy and I went around trying to find which playground it was. This went on a while. There was a lot of shouting for them in the middle of the street. Finally everyone was reunited, and so it was a beautiful New York day. Chloe Malle: Truly. Chioma Nnadi: Love a New York day that takes you anywhere. Playgrounds and art exhibits, fashion shows. Chloe Malle: And the night before that was the Caviar Kaspa big opening dinner, which I was very excited to see that you were dinner partners with the mayor of New York. What did you guys talk about? Natasha Lyonne: You know, uh, well, the city has a problem with rats, let's be honest. Chloe Malle: That's what I was gonna ask. Chioma Nnadi: We were gonna ask you if... I hope you took him to task with the rats. We are all hoping that you did. Chloe Malle: He's a big rat man. Natasha Lyonne: I don't get into stuff in politics. Suffice to say, I think we all know there's a problem with the rats in the city. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: But, uh, Laura [Sensamingo 00:35:01], I love her. She told me that she sat me next to him, 'cause she was like, "Who's the most New York person in the room?" Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: We talked about all of it. The, the Statue of Liberty, Ray's Pizza, yellow cams, the MTA. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: The Chrysler Building. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: "Why'd they close Barney's?" I said. Chloe Malle: There's lots of rats there, I bet. Chioma Nnadi: So did you, um... I mean, I loved going to the CFDA Awards, 'cause you were hosting. I thought you were perhaps the big highlight of the night. What made you agree to do that, and- and how fun was it to do for you? Natasha Lyonne: Thank you for saying that. Why did I say yes? I think maybe I didn't know exactly what it was. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: Uh, if I'm being honest... 'cause I'd been with Derek Blasberg to something about 10 years prior, where he was getting an award, and we were on fold out chairs. And I remember that I was like, "Oh, this is like, not too intimidating." So, I think that's what I thought we were going to. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: Then I was sort of like, "Oh, I guess I should write something for this." So I did, and then I was lucky. I was happy... when I saw that it was such a, a big deal, I was relieved to see that I was prepared. No, but you know, the big event there was Cher was late to stage, and I had to- Chioma Nnadi: I know, and you did a go-... was it improve, because you did a really good job. Natasha Lyonne: [inaudible 00:36:23] Chioma Nnadi: I was like... [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: It was scary, because I remember in that moment, I made eye contact very quickly with like, Drake, Lenny Kravitz- Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: ... Kim Kardashian, Anna Winter, and Drake. And I was like... Chioma Nnadi: I'm dying, already. Natasha Lyonne: Wait, did I say Drake already? Trevor Noah. It was somebody like... and- and others, you know what I mean? Like, Michael Kors, and like... Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: They were just... and so I was... and they were all looking at me with smirks, like, "What are you gonna do now?" And I was like, "Well, I guess I'm gonna wait for Cher," was the telepathic thing I was saying. So, I knew I had to talk. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: Luckily, I had talked before. I thought, "You've got a frame of reference." Chloe Malle: What did you do? Did you like... I believe that you encouraged people to go vote? That was a very good use of your time. [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: I did. I thought, people love voting. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: They love- Chloe Malle: A people pleaser. Natasha Lyonne: People in the arts, they love voting stickers. That's something they can all agree on, is an "I voted" sticker. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: It's the one thing they all love doing. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: I was like, "They all abortions and 'I voted' stickers." Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: This is the trick. Chloe Malle: Uh, I loved your quote about, uh, [laughs] loving fashion and any industry that combines... well, you remember your own thing that you wrote. [laughs] Um, but that a weight loss program sa- sponsored by the Sackler family felt, uh, very prescient. [laughs] Did you- Natasha Lyonne: Oh, thank you. I wrote that with one of Chloe's other close friends, Lesley Arfin came up with that. Chloe Malle: Oh, wow. Chioma Nnadi: Ah... Chloe Malle: Very impressive. Natasha Lyonne: Because I had written something a little more violent. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: And I sent it to her, and mine was like, uh... I don't know. It was something about like, and how great to have an industry that's encouraging eating disorders right and left. And you know, what a night to celebrate that. And, uh, and she was like, "This is too dark. Make it more topical. Include the Sackler family." Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: Oh, I think I had said that I'm so glad that heroine chic is back. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Natasha Lyonne: And she's like, "Talk about the Sackler family." And so we did. Chloe Malle: Well, now it's Ozempic chic, so you were really sort of ahead of the game. Natasha Lyonne: I was ahead of the curve. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: I feel like you have this rolodex of the coolest friends possible and collaborators. Do you have anyone that you're like, "Ah, that's who I want to work with," or, "That's who I want to hang out with." Who's- who's the dream person? Natasha Lyonne: You know who I'd love to know? I'd love to know Kendrick Lamar. Chioma Nnadi: Hm... Natasha Lyonne: And like, the poetry of his albums, I feel a real kinship with. I feel very much like, um, when I'm writing Russian Doll, that's, it's very similar to what I'm trying to say. And so, I feel like it's obviously in such a different medium, and I don't know him at all. And he might think that that show is terrible, and that I'm a loser. You know, um, but for me in terms of like somebody that I look to, uh, especially I would say that most of my idols, uh, are dead people. Um, and you know, he's somebody living who I really... I- I me-, he's articulating so beautifully, what it is I'm trying to say. It's almost like when I'm listening to him, my inner child feels very safe with his inner child or something. Like... Chloe Malle: Interesting. I wouldn't have- Natasha Lyonne: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... pegged him and Russian Doll as like, super parallel, but- Natasha Lyonne: I- I- I, I really hear it when I'm listening. Almost like, naming what you've been through to kind of overcome what you've been through. To extend that to other people who might be ashamed to have gone through the same things. And then putting it in a package that's hopefully aesthetically palatable enough to people, where they think it's really cool. Obviously he's doing it in hip hop, and I'm doing it with like, cool New York downtown guy... uh, but ultimately, I think that there is common ground of, we're trying to unload shame. And say, "You don't have to be ashamed that you went through this stuff." You know, artistically like, "I'm here with you to hold you through that experience, and say I went through it too." You know, obviously I also feel that with, um, like Michaela Coel and I are- are buddies around that. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, yeah. Natasha Lyonne: I think, um, you know, that's somebody eels who to me is more clearly sort of dealing with similar thematics. Like, um, you know, PTSD, and sort a through of like, quantum consciousness lens. And where the personal experience be-... you know, autobiographical and, um, fictional, sort of like, diverge and merge in sort of ways that are of no consequence. Because this sort of idea is bigger. Um, so obviously she and I are very much like, you know, we'll share advanced episodes with each other. And, and, um, I- I just adore her. Chloe Malle: Natasha, I know you have to run. It has been so lovely to talk with you. Congratulations on Poker Face. Chioma Nnadi: Thank you so much for coming on the show. Natasha Lyonne: Thank you so much, ladies. Chioma Nnadi: So, that's it for this special Hollywood episode of The Run-Through. Chloe Malle: I'm Chloe Malle. Chioma Nnadi: And I'm Chioma Nnadi. The Run-Through with Vogue is produced by Conde Nast Entertainment. See you next week. Chloe Malle: Bye.