Chloe Malle: This is The Run-Through. I'm Chloe Malle. Chioma Nnadi: And I'm Chioma Nnadi. And this week we spoke to the actor, Greta Lee. She's in a sweet new A24 Film, Past Lives, which basically you will- Chloe Malle: It made both- Chioma Nnadi: ... need to take Kleenex. Chloe Malle: ... Chioma and I cry. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Sobbing. At 10 AM screening. Chloe Malle: At 10 AM screening. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, it was crazy. Right? I mean, she was, ah. Chloe Malle: She's so good in the movie, but she was even better just chatting- Chioma Nnadi: [inaudible 00:00:27]- Chloe Malle: ... with us in person. It was- Chioma Nnadi: Hmm. Chloe Malle: ... such a treat. She's so much fun. She's so smart. She's really into fashion. She looks fabulous on the red carpet and at home at her farm outside of LA- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. She has chickens. Chloe Malle: ... where she has chickens and goats and- Chioma Nnadi: It was a goat farm. Chloe Malle: ... she even told us about her past life waiting tables at Momofuku in New York when she once had Jude Law ordering, um, pork buns- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs]. Chloe Malle: ... in, uh, his British accent. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. She had some really great stories. But first, two of our favorite colleagues are back on the pod. Jose and- Chloe Malle: One of our favorite duos. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Yes. Jose and Laia. And they're here to talk about resort and much, much more. Chloe Malle: Welcome, Jose and Laia. We are so excited to have you guys back. Our favorite- Laia Garcia-Furtado: Thank you. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Thank you. We love being here. Chloe Malle: ... Vogue Runway duo. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Hmm. Jose Criales-Unzueta: A package deal. Laia Garcia-Furtado: I know, we really are. You gotta have one. We gotta have two, you can't have one without the other. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Yeah. It's always an RS, a combined RSVP. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Always. Chloe Malle: For the unfortunate listeners who didn't hear some of your previous work on the podcast, will you introduce yourselves? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Of course. My name is Jose Criales-Unzueta. I'm the fashion news writer at Vogue Runway. Laia Garcia-Furtado: I am Laia Garcia-Furtado and I'm the senior fashion news editor at Vogue Runway. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Da-da-da-da. [Laughs]. Laia Garcia-Furtado: [Laughs]. Chloe Malle: We love a hyphen. Double name hyphen. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Do do love, we do love hyphenated last names. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Laia, does your daughter also have a hyphen? Laia Garcia-Furtado: She does. Wow, I had to think about it. Yeah, she does because, um, you know, in Latin America you get two last names, so I considered doing it without the hyphen, but then I was like, "No, they're gonna drop the second one." Chloe Malle: Yeah. Laia Garcia-Furtado: So I put the hyphen to make sure. Chioma Nnadi: Laia, I heard your, your baby likes to wear designer clothing? Laia Garcia-Furtado: She does. She... I think it's... So she has this, like, little Eckhaus Latta cardigan and I wanna... Uh, it was a gift from a friend who got it at the sample sale. But I own no Eckhaus Latta, so- Chloe Malle: Oh my God. So she has more Eckhaus than you? Laia Garcia-Furtado: She has more Eckhaus than me. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs] That's so- Chloe Malle: It's a lot a Latta. Laia Garcia-Furtado: It's really, yeah. It's really rude. It's a, it's a- Chioma Nnadi: There's always a fashion week happening somewhere, but there is fashion happening this week. Right? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yes. Laia Garcia-Furtado: So much. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Well, we just started Menswear officially. Um, because there's Pitti happening this week. But yesterday we had Sam [inaudible 00:02:38]. Oh, I'm sorry. Chloe Malle: Wait, can you tell me what Pitti is? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah, of course. So Pitti Uomo is, um, a, basically it's a trade show. Right? It's a menswear trade show in Italy. It happens every year. Chloe Malle: In Milan? Jose Criales-Unzueta: In Florence. Chloe Malle: Okay. Jose Criales-Unzueta: [inaudible 00:02:50] out of Florence. It happens every year. And in the summer, especially, they have, well basically an everyday that they do in general and, and in the summer they have guest designers. Um, so on top of the trade show where you can just go discover a lot of men's related things and men's related clothing, you can also, there's also like very, um, high profile shows. Like this season for example it's ERL, Eli Russell Linnetz, and Fendi who are the guests. Chloe Malle: Right and that show is next week? Jose Criales-Unzueta: On Thursday, this Thursday. Chloe Malle: It's this week. Okay. Jose Criales-Unzueta: So, today. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, amazing. Okay. Laia Garcia-Furtado: It has the... It has the best street style too, Pitti. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yes. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Also, it's the best word to say, Pitti. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Pitti. Chloe Malle: What, what is that? Is that a place in Florence? Is that, mean something in Italian? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Pitti. I have no idea. Laia Garcia-Furtado: I don't know. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Laia's gotta Google it while [laughs]- Laia Garcia-Furtado: I was gonna Google it. Jose Criales-Unzueta: ... while I riff on something else. Laia Garcia-Furtado: I know that it's Pitti Uomo and- Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah, Pitti Uomo. Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... Uomo we know is men. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. Chloe Malle: It's in the Pitti Palace. Sorry. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Ah. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Ah. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Pitti Palace. The more you know. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: The Pitti Palace. Oh, God. Laia Garcia-Furtado: My house. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Laia Garcia-Furtado: [Laughs]. Jose Criales-Unzueta: But it's truly a trade show that additionally has all these events surrounding [inaudible 00:03:52]. Laia Garcia-Furtado: And becomes sort of a precursor for men's week. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah. Jose Criales-Unzueta: It's real, it's really like the unofficial start. Chloe Malle: Okay. Jose Criales-Unzueta: So it's, Pitti, well, this season we also had London. Um, but London is like a day or two. It's become really short. London Men's. Chloe Malle: There's shows in London for men? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah, London's... Yeah. Chloe Malle: [inaudible 00:04:06] show in London? Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. Exactly. So like Saul Nash. Laia Garcia-Furtado: And Saul Nash, right? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Martine Rose, Daniel Fletcher showed this season. Chloe Malle: And then where's Pharrell's big debut happening? Jose Criales-Unzueta: The first day of Paris on the 20th. Chloe Malle: At somewhere fabulous? Do we know yet? Jose Criales-Unzueta: We don't know yet, but- Chloe Malle: Okay. Jose Criales-Unzueta: ... I mean, we have to assume. Chioma Nnadi: We imagine. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: We have to assume. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yes. So Pharrell is debuting at Louis Vuitton Men's. It's his first season as creative director. Um- Laia Garcia-Furtado: Much anticipation. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Much anticipation. Chloe Malle: Much. Chioma Nnadi: Much. Chloe Malle: So much. Jose Criales-Unzueta: We actually talked about his appointment the last time we were on the pod. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah we did. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yes. Chloe Malle: Yes. Chioma Nnadi: Are you feeling more excited now? I definitely- Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: ... I've always, I always was excited, but are you feeling more that this is- Jose Criales-Unzueta: I am. Chioma Nnadi: ... could be a moment? Or what if... What are your thoughts? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. I mean, after what you said last time where you were like, "I think what's gonna be very exciting is the way he's gonna bring people into the fold." That has really stayed, like ruminated... Like, I've ruminated on that a lot. And I think that's what gets me excited. Chloe Malle: I wanna know about what Resort collections you guys are excited about? Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah Resort, so Resort just ended. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Laia Garcia-Furtado: And Resort is the pre-collection between fall and spring. I'm like, "What is it?" Chloe Malle: I have- Laia Garcia-Furtado: But it's also the collection that's in stores the longest. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yes. Chloe Malle: Yes. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Like it definitely has the longest shelf life. It goes on sale later. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Laia Garcia-Furtado: So it's, it's an important- Jose Criales-Unzueta: It's, it's a pretty- Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... season. Jose Criales-Unzueta: ... big one because it, the thing about Resort, so it's pre-spring, right? Officially. So, like, it goes right after, um, fall and before spring. It stays in stores through the holidays and it also stays through like everyone's vacations. Right? Like that's sort of, that's where the name Resort comes from. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah. Jose Criales-Unzueta: But, it almost, it, it has to tick a lot of boxes and I think brands, depending on, on like their price point and the customer, they approach it very differently. So some people can go really hard and go like full on Resort definition, some people go very much like, "Okay, like this is a pre recollection. We have to really put stuff in stores." Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah. And Resort meaning that you leave your cold weather and you go somewhere warm. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Right. [inaudible 00:05:51]. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Like literally you are- Jose Criales-Unzueta: The fantasy. Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... it's all, you know, like I remember like what, 10, 15 years ago, it was always like swimsuits and- Jose Criales-Unzueta: Mm-hmm. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Like you're going to an actual resort or- Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... So it used to be called, you're going on an actual cruise. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yes. Also cruise. Yes. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Also, Cruise. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Cruise Resort experience- Jose Criales-Unzueta: And a lot of brands still use the term cruise, especially like the ones that do traveling shows. Chloe Malle: Right. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Like we were just talking about Vuitton. Vuitton did a beautiful show in, in an island in Italy. And it was a cruise collection, right? Like it's still sort of a- Laia Garcia-Furtado: And it was a biblical rainstorm. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yes. So it was supposed to be outside, we have to go to the inside- Laia Garcia-Furtado: Well, it's the season of rain. Jose Criales-Unzueta: It's a season of rain- Chloe Malle: Oh, wait, I wanna hear you just came back from Rio for the Herrera Resort Show. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah. And that- Chioma Nnadi: It's also rain, wasn't it? Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... rain. Chloe Malle: Ugh. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Everywhere you go, rain. But I feel like, I mean the, the Carolina people won't like, will, are probably very upset that it rained, but I think it actually made the show almost like even more beautiful and made- Chloe Malle: That's cool. Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... the spirit of it sort of like, you know, shine more 'cause it was a beautiful location and, but the models, no, the models were like so hype that we were doing the show here and they kept the mood up through the entire like hour, hour-ish that the show is delayed. And so, and they were like, "No, we're gonna do this." And some of them were like, they kept their heels on in the runway, which is crazy. I took my shoes off, but it's rained. It also rained at Dior in Mexico. Chloe Malle: Oh my God. This is a real- Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yes. And it rained, uh, somewhere else, basically like almost every traveling show- Chloe Malle: [inaudible 00:07:19] everything- Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... has had it rained. Chloe Malle: ... in my power not to sing Alanis Morissette right now. Chioma Nnadi: Right? Chloe Malle: It's literally like rain. Laia Garcia-Furtado: It's really that. Chloe Malle: It's like rain on your resort show. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Are there any overarching Resort trends that you saw? Jose Criales-Unzueta: I mean, listen, I, this is a challenge for everyone. When you're going through the Vogue Runway reviews take a shot every time you, you read the word ease or essential. Chloe Malle: Ah, brutal. So controversial. It's so brave. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Controversial yet brave. Chloe Malle: I love the Vogue Runway drinking game. Jose Criales-Unzueta: And li- listen, we can do that every season. Chloe Malle: Oh my God. Jose Criales-Unzueta: But this season it's all about ease, all about essential. It's all about classics. Chloe Malle: Yes. Jose Criales-Unzueta: It's very interesting. Chloe Malle: So this is what's call under, uh, understated luxury? Quiet luxury? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Quiet luxury. Chloe Malle: Quiet luxury. Jose Criales-Unzueta: So that's, so that's kind of like my take on it, which is, you know how a lot of these brands are kind of like, "Okay, what are people talking about? What their vibe, how do we sort of repackage this in a way that makes sense?" Right? "How, how do we, how do I tell this, this reviewer that I'm not like on TikTok all day?" Right? "Or that my merchant didn't give me like a file that was like, 'Do this.'?" But it's interesting because, you know, last year when I had, first, when I was starting to go to my Resort appointments, everyone was giving me going-out clothes. Where it's like- Chloe Malle: Oh- Jose Criales-Unzueta: This woman just wants to go out. Chloe Malle: ... the sort of come back from COVID. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Jose Criales-Unzueta: It was very that, "She wants to go to the gala, she wants to go out, here's this lip dress, here's the thing, here's a sequin." Chloe Malle: Sequins for day. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Mm-hmm. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Very day to night, day to evening, all those things that the girls love. Right? And then this year, a lot of what I'm continuously getting is like, you know, it was all about fluidity. It was all about ease. It was all about like essential, like wardrobing. Everyone keeps telling me that their den in business is peaking- Laia Garcia-Furtado: Mm-hmm. Jose Criales-Unzueta: ... which is, I'm very happy for everyone. Laia Garcia-Furtado: That's actually true. Chloe Malle: How interesting. Jose Criales-Unzueta: And it's super fascinating. Yeah. Chloe Malle: Is there an argument to be made that if you are a brand that's maybe a quieter brand, that you can sort of make more of a splash if you have a travel show? I'm just thinking of Max Mara this weekend. I saw a lot of Instagrams- Jose Criales-Unzueta: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: ... about their amazing Swedish adventure. I love Max Mara. I think some of, they make- Jose Criales-Unzueta: Camel everything. Chloe Malle: ... some of my favorites, yeah. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Camel everything. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, camel everything. Jose Criales-Unzueta: I'm ready. Chloe Malle: All the time. But they're not a brand that we would typically cover in our, like, "These are the big flashy trends of the season." Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Do you think that like a brand can weigh whether it's worth investing in, uh, a destination show because then it gets people talking? Or is that just, it's too fleeting and it doesn't actually convert into sales? Jose Criales-Unzueta: I think that's actually a really good point. I think Max May actually is a perfect example, right? Like when they showed during the Ready tour season, it has its fans, people like, again, just like us, people love the Camel fantasy. Some people are, you know, just kind of love to see what they do because it's always consistent. Ian Griffiths has been at it for like- Chloe Malle: They're like classic clothes. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Mm-hmm. Jose Criales-Unzueta: And like Ian Griffiths has been at it for 36 years, I think. Like he's been sort of like shaping this vision for very long. Right? Which you don't really see elsewhere. Chloe Malle: Right. Jose Criales-Unzueta: But I think to your point, sort of established like doing something like a traveling show really gives them their moment. Right? Chloe Malle: Right. Jose Criales-Unzueta: I think the specific thing about these, these, these cruise shows, for example, is that you sort of choose your own date. Right? And very rarely will they like coincide with another one. Like sometimes you'll have like, you know, Versace and Dua Lippa like one day and then the next day it's Vuitton. Right? Chloe Malle: Right. Jose Criales-Unzueta: But like, they won't happen the same day. So I think what's interesting about that is that you really do get like more than your 15 minutes, like during fashion week you, you get 15 minutes of fame. Chloe Malle: Right. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Unless you go like viral, have a popstar close your show, which is what a lot of people are doing these days. But you know, this sort of gives them the chance to, to create their own moment. And I think what Max Mara did very interesting is like Stockholm is perfect for Max Mara, in my opinion. Like the aesthetic feels right. You know, they showed, uh, at their city hall, which is where the, the, the Nobel Prize launching happens every year. Like, it's sort of like a very cohesive fantasy- Laia Garcia-Furtado: Very tar. Jose Criales-Unzueta: ... It's like a midsummer fantasy, very tar, you know, just sort of like was perfect- Chloe Malle: Tar midsommar. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Tar midsommar. Jose Criales-Unzueta: It was- Chloe Malle: Midsom tar. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exact... [Laughing]. Exactly. You know? So I think to your point, it really like, you really have, you have a real opportunity to, to create your own moment and to make it, to try to make it last as long as possible. Chioma Nnadi: And it's also an opportunity to create content from it. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. That lasts the entire season. Right? Chioma Nnadi: Exactly. Jose Criales-Unzueta: I think that's the main thing. At the end of the day, you, you, you kind of need more than, than just your look book if you're a brand that big. Chloe Malle: Uh, the Tony's were a while ago now, but they were, I feel like people were excited about them this year. Was there any big fashion moment you guys loved? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Lupita Nyong'o wore, um, this beautiful chest plate. Um, the designers Misha Japanwala, she is like an incredible designer. She just makes breastplates. Like, that's sort of like the basis of her work, you know? Chloe Malle: And they're sculpt it to the- Chioma Nnadi: They're molded. Chloe Malle: ... person- Jose Criales-Unzueta: They're molded. Chloe Malle: Wow. Jose Criales-Unzueta: They're molded. Chioma Nnadi: They're molded. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: So it's an exact replica. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Chioma Nnadi: It was a little, I mean, I think I liked how Lupita styled it. I don't think I could have like seen that just without the jacket- Chloe Malle: How did they style it? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. You, you kinda needed the jacket. Chioma Nnadi: She started with a black tuxedo, but it's very realistic. It was a very... Jose Criales-Unzueta: It's... Yeah. Chloe Malle: I thought she was just painted at first. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, I know. Laia Garcia-Furtado: So interesting. Jose Criales-Unzueta: It gives very that. It- Chloe Malle: Yeah, what is it made of? Chioma Nnadi: It gives that. Uh, good question. Laia Garcia-Furtado: I would say plaster- Jose Criales-Unzueta: That's a really good question. Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... but I'm, I could just, I'm literally [inaudible 00:12:14]- Jose Criales-Unzueta: I'm not entirely sure. Chloe Malle: What if it rained? Chioma Nnadi: No, no, no, no. Laia Garcia-Furtado: It's not a resort show. It's fine. Jose Criales-Unzueta: [Laughs]. Laia Garcia-Furtado: It was just the [inaudible 00:12:20]. Chioma Nnadi: [inaudible 00:12:20] fine. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Wow. Everyone's on today. No, but you know, I think that was a really great, great moment, Misha is a really interesting designer in the sense of like, you know, she merges a lot of, you know, everything from craft to womanhood. She merges a lot of these stories into her work and I think Lupita's a really good conduit for, for that kind of work as well because she wears [inaudible 00:12:37] well. Chioma Nnadi: So the silicon and plastic. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Oh, silicon and plastic. Chloe Malle: That's FYI. Jose Criales-Unzueta: There you go. Yeah. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Much more comfortable than plaster. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Yeah. Chloe Malle: They would've survived the rain. Jose Criales-Unzueta: I was gonna say. Chloe Malle: Chioma, did you try out some new glasses yesterday? Chioma Nnadi: Oh, I had a transcendental experiences today. Chloe Malle: Really? Chioma Nnadi: Yes. So I tried on the new Apple Vision Pro. Chloe Malle: Oh. Chioma Nnadi: So I was kind of skeptical, aka not so excited to have to go in the morning to try these glasses or the, this device on. Chloe Malle: And were you won over? Chioma Nnadi: Oh my God. Chloe Malle: What did you see? Laia Garcia-Furtado: Really? Chloe Malle: But what did you see? Jose Criales-Unzueta: Oh my God. Yeah. What, yeah, what was the fantasy? Chioma Nnadi: So when you see the... The thing is, I watched the, I watched the, um, the sort of promo video around it and- Jose Criales-Unzueta: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: ... it doesn't really, you, you have to do it. You have to put them on to really get the experiences. Imagine having your, living inside the computer. I can't, I can't describe it any other way, but your apps surround you. Chloe Malle: Oh, I don't like, I don't want my apps surrounding me. Chioma Nnadi: It's... Hear me out, hear me out. They have so many different experiences. A mindfulness app, which I was really excited about that put me deep into meditation very quickly because you're completely immersed with this headset on, you know, a combination of I guess VR and AR. It's like a whole world. And they've created experiences that are fully immersive. So, you know, at one point there was a dinosaur kind of coming at me in the, in the living room- Chloe Malle: I'm sorry, why? Chioma Nnadi: ... and then a, and then a butterfly landed on my finger. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Because why not? Chioma Nnadi: And, and then I was standing at the edge of a cliff. Like it felt so real at certain points I was just like, I needed to remind myself I actually had this headset on. But the great thing about this device is that you're sort of still aware of where you are. You know, if I have a FaceTime, it's just like a- a little window next to me that's talking to me. It's not like I'm completely in this new world, but you can also kind of go deeper into this, into this world. Jose Criales-Unzueta: So you kind of have both realities. Chioma Nnadi: You have both realities simultaneously. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Interesting. Chioma Nnadi: Watching, I'm watched a clip of Avatar on it and it was just- Chloe Malle: My God, you love Avatar. Chioma Nnadi: ... 3D Avatar. Jose Criales-Unzueta: No, that, I love Avatar. Chioma Nnadi: I know, I love a... Chloe Malle: Chioma loves a water film. Chioma Nnadi: I loves a water [inaudible 00:14:48]. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Me too. Laia Garcia-Furtado: [inaudible 00:14:48] loves Avatar. Jose Criales-Unzueta: I love a water films too. Chioma Nnadi: I love a... And The Little Mermaid, bring it. So- Jose Criales-Unzueta: I wanna be part of that world. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. It was really, it was, I was, I was prepared not to be excited about it, but it was really amazing. Chloe Malle: And for, for listeners who dunno, can you just describe, like, this is Apple is debuting their new VR headset that's gonna go on sale this week, or not yet? Chioma Nnadi: No, no, no, no. It's... They basically launched it for developers to get involved and to begin to, you know. Chloe Malle: So it's in beta per se? Chioma Nnadi: I guess. I, you know, and I- Chloe Malle: You're a beta tester? Laia Garcia-Furtado: Wow. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Wow. Chioma Nnadi: I mean, yeah. I mean, listen, it is launching next year and I was really afraid that it wouldn't be intuitive to me because I always have- Jose Criales-Unzueta: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: ... trouble- Laia Garcia-Furtado: I think Apple is really good at that because, uh, my daughter who is 15 months old, she just plays with my phone. Like literally she just plays with it and she, number one, there's a lot you can do on your phone while it's locked still. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Uh, which I didn't realize, but she has very quickly learned how to, like- Chioma Nnadi: I know. Laia Garcia-Furtado: ... she loves to play with the calculator so she knows how to get to it. Chloe Malle: Oh, wow. Laia Garcia-Furtado: She knows how to, that the side button turns it off so that she can go back to something that she was like looking at. Chloe Malle: Wow. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Like she's... And you see her just like using her little finger to like swipe and she gets really serious and it looks like she's doing business [laughs]. Chloe Malle: In her Eckhaus Latta sweater. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Exactly. Laia Garcia-Furtado: In her Eckhaus Latta sweater. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Well, the other day I called Laia and she was like, "Did my daughter call you?" [Laughs]. And I'm like, "No, I have tea." [Laughs]. I'm like, "I have to say something important." Laia Garcia-Furtado: [Laughs]. Chloe Malle: Thank you guys so much. [Laughs]. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Of course. Thank you. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, this is amazing. Chloe Malle: We love having you both here. Jose Criales-Unzueta: We love being here. Laia Garcia-Furtado: Thank you for having us. Jose Criales-Unzueta: Thank you so much. Chloe Malle: And, um, we'll talk to you soon. Jose Criales-Unzueta: We'll talk soon. Thank you. Chloe Malle: Happy Resort. The Run-Through will be back in just a moment. And we're back with The Run-Through. Today on the show we have the actress Greta Lee joining us. She came to the Vogue offices to chat with us about her new movie Past Lives where she plays Nora, a woman who reconnects with her childhood love decades after emigrating from Korea. Chioma Nnadi: Before Past Lives, you might have seen Greta in, in Girls, in, in Russian Dolls. She was also in the Apple TV series, The Morning Show. She's a real lover of fashion and it shows. She has had some really great looks. Chloe Malle: She's also just fun to talk about- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... fashion with. Like, it's not just like, "I wanna look hot on the red carpet." It's like she's really having a fun, esoteric conversation with the fashion itself and sort of what that can do to the way you present yourself. And, you know, she wore this sort of mint, julip green Christopher John Rogers skirt and top to her first Emmys because that kind of worked with her Russian doll character she was portraying. And then for Past Lives she'd been wearing all of these kind of sculptural Loewe or Proenza outfits. It's, she, she's really, she's putting the thought in fashion. Chioma Nnadi: She puts the thought in fashion. And I don't know, there was something about the fact that, you know, she's a mom of two but she still kind of enjoys the experimenting with clothes and breaking all the rules and there's nothing kind of expected or safe about the way that she approaches fashion, which I love. And it was interesting hearing her talk about her mother is, who sounds like she's the polar opposite, but it's like extremely chic- Chloe Malle: Right. Chioma Nnadi: ... but is much more conservative- Chloe Malle: Lady-like. Chioma Nnadi: ... and lady-like- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: ... and yeah, she's, she was the coolest. Chloe Malle: Greta, I realized that you and I have kids with similar age gaps. Mine are one and three, but yours are, uh, three and five, three and six? Greta Lee: Just turned four and six. Just- Chloe Malle: [Laughing]. Greta Lee: ... constantly jumping through wormholes. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: From Vogue to oatmeal to, you know? When I was shooting the, the feature that I did- Chioma Nnadi: Jen Wang's piece in the, your recent Vogue profile. Greta Lee: Yeah. We were shooting, um, in Topanga. Chioma Nnadi: Okay. Greta Lee: Which you, geographically- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... you're aware, you know what that means. Chioma Nnadi: That's far from where you live, right? Greta Lee: It's basically a different country. It's out to sea. Chloe Malle: Truly. Greta Lee: You know, I mean Catalina Island would essentially be as far, but of course that was the day I had to be back in Pasadena to attend a mandatory parent-teacher conference. Chloe Malle: Oh, no. Chioma Nnadi: Oh my God. Greta Lee: And I was running, I had a hard-out and I remember being late and like the parental humiliation of- Chloe Malle: Oh, it's terrible. Greta Lee: ... being late to that, but then being in hair and makeup- Chloe Malle: Ugh. Greta Lee: ... and having to explain like, "I'm sorry, I just came from a Vogue shoot and, uh, I..." [laughs]. [inaudible 00:19:36] better but like surreal. Chloe Malle: "I just came from a kidney transplant." Greta Lee: "Yes, I did at Cedars-Sinai, but I'm here. Um, let's talk about my child." I really, it felt like science fiction. I mean it is. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Do your kids understand what you do for a living? Greta Lee: Yes. And it's weird because- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... I mean growing up like that was certainly not my experience. My parents had no idea in, in going to Harvard West like that, it was an industry heavy school- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... but that I was such an outsider. Um, and my parents being immigrants and they, they just, that was so completely foreign to them. And, and- Chloe Malle: Your parents for listeners who don't know are Korean? Greta Lee: Yes, they're Korean. Um, they immigrated here and had me. Um, and, um, I really was on my own in terms of navigating that- Chloe Malle: Because you're the eldest of three. Greta Lee: I'm the eldest, so I'm standing at the forefront, like, "First one, go," you know, figure, teach us the national anthem. Chloe Malle: Oh my God. Greta Lee: Yeah. But in contrast, my kids, they know and it, it really, it blows my mind. And I think, like I had conflicting feelings about it initially 'cause it just felt like, "Oh, is this, is this not good to be be immersed in the industrial complex of Hollywood- Chloe Malle: Right. Greta Lee: ... at such a young age. But it is cool as a woman and as a working mom to be able to present to them a clear picture of a person who has a passion and is dedicated to something that yes, takes me away from them- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... but that it's healthy and that it's something that I'm proud of. It's what I keep telling myself. Chioma Nnadi: I think that's right. Greta Lee: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I guess they haven't seen your work. Greta Lee: They've seen a trailer of, of Past Lives- Chioma Nnadi: Right. They've seen a trailer [inaudible 00:21:19]- Chloe Malle: Oh, that's so cute. Greta Lee: Which is hilarious. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Greta Lee: I remember, my oldest Apollo is, is hyper serious. The trailer started and I remember he, he was watching and he was completely silent and still and it ends and I'm just kind of terrified, like, "What is he gonna say?" And he, he just, all he says, he says to me, "Looks like a good movie," and walk away. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: I know it's great. Then- Chioma Nnadi: And he wasn't wrong. It was a great movie. Chloe Malle: Exactly. Chioma Nnadi: We all thought that. Chloe Malle: I don't get to see a lot of movies these days 'cause I have two kids under three. Greta Lee: Why? Is there something going on? Is there a reason? Chloe Malle: It was such a treat to go to a movie at 10:00 AM. Greta Lee: Oh, yeah. Chloe Malle: And then of course I was crying by the end and then I had to go pick my son up a preschool and his teachers were like, "Are you okay? Are you like equipped to take this child right now?" Greta Lee: Uh-huh. Chloe Malle: And I didn't wanna be like, "Oh, while you were running around after my three-year-old. I was sitting in a wonderful movie, enjoying myself for two hours." But [laughs]- Chioma Nnadi: It was such a treat. Chloe Malle: ... it's totally worth it. Greta Lee: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: How, how would you describe the film for people who haven't seen it? Greta Lee: Yeah. Let's see if I can do this effectively. The story is about, uh, a New York author named Norm Moon, who, uh, immigrated from Korea as a young child, um, and is living her life in New York. Flourishing with a husband that she loves. And then she reconnects with her childhood sweetheart, um, many, many years later. And they have this fateful week together in New York. How'd I do? That's like- Chloe Malle: Great. Greta Lee: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: Yeah. Sometimes for actors, synopses are hard- Chloe Malle: Anyone. Greta Lee: ... and I have to Google, "What is this movie about?" [Laughs] What [inaudible 00:22:55]. Chioma Nnadi: It's just so in it too. And- Greta Lee: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: ... you lived it, so it must be taking a, a wider lens on it. It's like, "Oh." Greta Lee: The movie is, uh, a love story. Um, it was always exciting from the jump to consider, um, like this question of like, "What is a modern day love story?" Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: "And what can that be now? And what kind of woman could be at the center of it now?" And Celine Song, the writer/director who's incredible, just annoyingly masterful, just ridiculously skillful that the script was- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... completely gorgeous. Chloe Malle: There's such a confidence in the, the quiet, the restraint in- Greta Lee: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Personally as a writer, I'm always trying to like jump and prove things. Greta Lee: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: And there's such a power in her being confident enough to say, "I don't have to say too much." Greta Lee: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Like it's, it's a, a very restrained, there's a quietness in that. Greta Lee: That's so uncanny 'cause it's like you're talking about the movie, what you just said because this idea that you can tell a love story that's full of restraint and have this stillness and quiet- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... was really, it just felt radical to me. Especially because of the work I'd done previously. And it felt really scary of like, "Oh my God, how naked feeling just to exist as a normal woman and just be still." Chloe Malle: Because you played sort of more, not caricatures, but more highly drawn characters. Is that, what that be fair? Greta Lee: Yeah, totally fair. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: Like, you know, jumping around and doing comedy, doing much more heightened things- Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Greta Lee: ... both in character but tonally and, and was totally different. Entirely different. It felt like a freaky experiment of like, what we can expose about ourselves and like this idea of a vulnerable woman. Like, what is that? Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I love that, you know, you called it a very modern love story. I think if you've ever had, um, a connection on someone with FaceTime and had a long distance relationship- Greta Lee: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: ... this movie will resonate with you. I've definitely been there and had those long distance relationships. I also think what I really found sort of very relatable is this idea of living between cultures. You know, I'm from the UK, I've lived here for 20 years. I also, my parents also immigrated to the UK- Greta Lee: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: ... and my mother immigrated from Switzerland, my dad from Nigeria. Greta Lee: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: I speak my mother's language, not my father's language- Greta Lee: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: ... but, um, I was sort of impressed. I don't speak Korean, but you are you, are you, are you bilingual? Are you- Greta Lee: I am- Chioma Nnadi: Right. Greta Lee: ... but this is like, what was so fascinating for me in doing this. Being able to capture what you're describing in the movie was a big part of the draw of like, how, how do we show the experience I've had as a woman living in America? I'm Asian. And, um, and yeah, I'm bi cultural and bilingual, and I've had that life of code switching and existing in this like, purgatory space. But my koreanness was something that was kind of, I don't wanna say put aside, but it, it's like the painful reality of being a person of color, an immigrant, or actually anyone who's moved to a new place has had to make certain choices in their lives where you're sort of saying goodbye to a certain part of you. And it's like I'd forgotten that I am fluent in Korean. Chloe Malle: That's so interesting. Greta Lee: Yeah. Like, I never expected to do a movie in a different language, Korean or otherwise, and then doing this, I mean, it's been sad to say I- I can relate to what happens in the movie. Saying goodbye to being that immersed in Korean. I mean, I, that's just the simple truth of my life. Like, you know, you heard me describe my life with my kids and like, you know, I'm married to a wonderful White guy from the Midwest who speaks a tiny amount of Korean- Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: ... but it's just not the way that I live in, in, in America. Chloe Malle: Do you speak Korean to your kids? Greta Lee: I- I have to admit, I was really great about it with my first, um- Chloe Malle: It's hard. Greta Lee: ... It's really hard. And this is all like, part of it, the identity piece. I felt like I was impersonating my mother. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Greta Lee: Like, it didn't feel authentic to me as a person to like represent or play this part of a Korean woman. Um, and I just couldn't tell the jokes that I wanted to- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... and like, feel like myself. So it's kind of dwindled. Chioma Nnadi: It's hard. I think it's also what I really took away and something I ask myself often, because for me, the idea of home has always been sort of this shifting idea. You know, my parents had their idea of what home was, and I think as an immigrant, you are always presented with, well, where do you identify more strongly? Where is home? Is home where your parents are from? Or is home your new, this new country that your parents find themselves in? Right? And for me, it's just like, that was the ultimate kind of choice that Nora had to make. Like, where, where felt more, where did she feel more at home? Where did she feel more like herself? Right? Greta Lee: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I don't know. I- I- I, that was really... Sorry- Greta Lee: I'm glad that you got- Chioma Nnadi: ... it really hit me. Greta Lee: No, I- I... Listen, nothing is better for an artist, an actor to hear that, that that hit, that that strikes a chord. I can understand the impulse as an audience member to, you know, be a little bit like, uh, team Arthur versus team Hae Sung- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. We had that, we had that conversation at the end. Greta Lee: Yeah. And it makes sense. I understand why, but I think, and I hope that, you know, the trick of the movie, and I- I do believe that the thing that stays with you after seeing it, um, is just this larger idea of life and acknowledge that no matter who you are, we, we only have this one shot and what you make of it, um, and all the choices you make that determine what your life ends up being. Chioma Nnadi: There's always the road less traveled. Right? Do you have anything like that in your life where you, you wonder, "I wish I'd done this part. I wish I'd followed up with that person."? Greta Lee: Oh, sure. I mean, just like, on like a, like a petty act or level. Like of course I'm like, "Oh, if I'd gotten that job, like, where would I be now?" I- I remember starting out, there were so many close calls where you get a pin on you and that means like, "Oh my God, it's you and one other person. Like this could happen." Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Chloe Malle: I've never heard that before. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I didn't know the pin thing. Greta Lee: Oh, yeah. So many pin, I'm covered in holes- Chloe Malle: I wonder where that comes from. Greta Lee: ... like, I've just pinned. Chioma Nnadi: In, in the modeling industry or in fashion, we say you have a first option or a second option. Greta Lee: Yeah. Okay. That's what it is. Chloe Malle: So a pin is when it's you, two people get pinned- Greta Lee: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... and one person gets picked. Greta Lee: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, that's scary. Greta Lee: It's brutal. Chioma Nnadi: It's a real- Greta Lee: It's so brutal. I... Like, there's so many, the experiences of- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: I remember like, um, Gossip Girl was a really close call for me way back. Chloe Malle: Really? Greta Lee: Um, the character Yuki. Um- Chloe Malle: Okay. Greta Lee: ... And I remember, you know, this is just the nature of the job. You constantly think, "This is it." Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: "This... And now I will become Meryl Streep." Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: "I will get this job and I will become, you know, the greatest actor of my generation." And then that doesn't happen. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: And you keep cycling through on repeat what that is. Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Always a bridesmaid. Greta Lee: Oh, always. That is the essence of being an actor. An actor- Chloe Malle: Or the waiter. Chioma Nnadi: Yep. Greta Lee: Yeah, exactly. Chioma Nnadi: Well, didn't you wait tables before you- Greta Lee: Oh, furiously. Yes. Chioma Nnadi: ... became the bride? [Laughs]. Greta Lee: I'm an expert waiter of tables. I mean, truly. I mean, literally in New York City, I was. Chloe Malle: Where did you wait tables? Greta Lee: Momofuku Ssam Bar. Chloe Malle: Oh, wow. Chioma Nnadi: Mm, good choice. Greta Lee: Yes. Um, and a little bit a Code. This was, I mean, this was the heyday that kind of, you know, that the chef rockstar, you know David Chang and [inaudible 00:30:41]- Chloe Malle: Yeah. You would be an interesting person to work for, I imagine. Greta Lee: Yes. Yes. He's now a friend. Chloe Malle: Okay. Greta Lee: Um, so, you know, if you're listening, Dave, you know, I love you very much. Thank you for the opportunity. Don't be mad at me, but oh my gosh, it was so intense. I've waited tables, I've delivered pork buns to people I've now worked with. Chloe Malle: Ugh, so fun. Chioma Nnadi: [inaudible 00:30:59] long way. Greta Lee: And they don't, they don't know that. It's too weird. Chioma Nnadi: Who, who? Tell us. Greta Lee: Oh- Chloe Malle: Just give us one. Greta Lee: Oh, God. Okay. Well, I guess we, we didn't end up working together, but like, I remember Jude Law. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Just like, you know, this like English accent, uh, ordering a momofuku sake and an order of pork buns. Chloe Malle: Ugh, [inaudible 00:31:19]. Greta Lee: I mean, it's so- Chioma Nnadi: Good accent. Greta Lee: ... it's amazing. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Yeah. I have like a real nostalgia for that time, actually. You know? It's great. New York City life crammed into a tiny apartment. So small. It was like a boat. All my- Chioma Nnadi: Where did you live? Where did you live in? Greta Lee: I lived on Second Avenue between 5th and 6th. I lived on 11th between A and B- Chioma Nnadi: I see the whole tour of the East Village. Greta Lee: ... I mean, truly. And then we ended up shooting this movie there. Chioma Nnadi: I know. In the East Village. Chloe Malle: Oh, I know. Greta Lee: I mean, it's just blowing my mind. Chioma Nnadi: I'm obsessed with your new haircut. Greta Lee: Oh, gosh. Thanks. Chioma Nnadi: We have to describe it to everyone. Chloe Malle: Yeah, exactly. Greta Lee: Okay. So what happened was, I got a pixie cut, um, because of The Morning Show. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Greta Lee: We were talking about, for the character that I play Stella Bak, what would be a natural evolution for someone like her after several years in like this powerful position that she holds and the status of being the first female woman of color, really, uh, in the, in the history of the whole network. I mean, it's fictionalized, of course. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Uh, and, um, the first news president, the next season that I was a part of, several years have passed. So we just had this idea of like, okay, if she's like really owning her position and with the clothes, she, it's just her wardrobe is sick. I mean, it is- Chioma Nnadi: Best wardrobe so far that you've worked. Greta Lee: Ab- absolutely. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Uh- Chloe Malle: Did you keep anything? Greta Lee: No. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Um, they need it in case we, you know. What, what... These are lies, right? They must be, I... It's so hard for me to accept that I can't keep it, but I mean, her wardrobe, it's just, I've asked them, "Please, can you pay me more and I will accept the worst shittier clothing." Okay? Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Because it's all Prada, Balenciaga, Loewe. Chioma Nnadi: Nice. Nice. Greta Lee: I mean just... Vintage Chanel, I, it's just exquisite. But I love that for her. Chloe Malle: Wow. Yeah. Greta Lee: But she's like- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: "Yeah, this is my flex." Chloe Malle: God, Apple really knows how to do it. Greta Lee: They really do. They really do. I secretly have too much hair. I know that sounds so... I have too much hair, but it makes it challenging- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: I'm in hats a lot. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: True. You're a hat girl. Greta Lee: Yeah, I don't, and I had to specifically not wear that today. Meeting Anna. I was like, "I can't wear my Pixar baseball cap," but that- Chioma Nnadi: Oh my God. Greta Lee: ... just, I probably can't do that. But yeah, I'm a total hat person. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: I'm not seeing a lot of hats here in the office. No. Chioma Nnadi: No- Chloe Malle: It's not a hat office. Chioma Nnadi: ... no. [inaudible 00:33:48] it's not a hat office. Greta Lee: No. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Greta Lee: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. But you've had some good accessories. I mean, when I think about the sparkly tinsel shoes that you wore to the Loewe show, caused quite a stir. Greta Lee: Oh. Chloe Malle: Okay. These shoes- Greta Lee: God. Dyed- Chloe Malle: ... it looked like an explosion from like, I mean, can you describe them for people? Greta Lee: It's like, imagine stepping into metallic pom poms. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: And, and walking around in them. I mean, it's pure fantasy. Chloe Malle: Oh- Greta Lee: I loved, I've loved it so much. Chioma Nnadi: Do you often go to Fashion Week? Greta Lee: I... That was my first time in Paris. Chloe Malle: Greta, I feel like you're a great Loewe muse and I know that you've been working with Jonathan Anderson, who's the creative director quite a bit, and wearing the brand on the red carpet and to their Paris show. Greta Lee: I have, and I've just started to work with them on, we just shot, I think I'm allowed to say, we just shot- Chioma Nnadi: Cool. Greta Lee: ... a fragrance thing that was so... I mean, that's the thing with Jonathan and Loewe, it's so esoteric, but also really visceral. It's all the things, it's like all the things that I want in a film role. Like it feels very personal, but also challenging and like- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, interesting. Greta Lee: ... unconventional, you know. Chioma Nnadi: But, um, you also, for the, for the premiere of, um, Past Lives, you wore Proenza. Chloe Malle: Oh, you did? Greta Lee: I did. Chioma Nnadi: That's what that, that dress... Can you... It was sort of a wrinkled gold... Can you describe it? Greta Lee: Metallic. Um, it looks a, like a soft armor [laughs]. Love. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. That's actually a nice way of describing it. Ooh. I might use that later. Greta Lee: Okay, great. Please do, you, I- I'll allow it. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Uh, it's silver and gold over, um, I don't, like a chiffon underskirts that peaks out at the bottom. Chloe Malle: Ugh. Greta Lee: Um- Chloe Malle: Love that. Greta Lee: Yeah. I... But you know, I really, I love those guys and, and they're such a New York brand, and the screening was at Metrograph and the movie's so New York that it just felt perfect. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. You, so you are really into, like, you love fashion. Greta Lee: I do. Chioma Nnadi: Is that fair? You don't... Because a lot of the time I talk to actors and they, they kind of pretend that, "Oh, no, I don't love fashion. Oh, oh yeah. No." Greta Lee: No. I'm obsessed. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. We love that. Greta Lee: I mean, I am. Chloe Malle: And it'd be so fun when you're doing... Greta Lee: I know. And I like thinking about the choices about- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... what, which dress. Like the way that this dress felt like a Joan of Arc, like a soft, vulnerable Joan of Arc. Like reflect- Chloe Malle: Like Nora. Greta Lee: ... something... Exactly- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, love Nora. Greta Lee: ... that's... Yeah, that's exactly right. Chloe Malle: And I was reading in, uh, just you talking about what it was like growing up in LA and commuting like two hours to Harvard-Westlake- Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: ... which was this very sort of Tony academic intense school environment. Um, and sort of changing, molding your fashion to base where you work. Greta Lee: Yeah. It is different in that now, now I can own like who I'm gonna be- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... and stand firm and like, even if this doesn't match my surroundings too bad. Chloe Malle: Right. Greta Lee: Like, I am standing in my truth as this woman. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: But yeah, that was not the case growing up. It was like a constant costume change. Um, that was pretty aggressive- Chloe Malle: That's exhausting. Greta Lee: Uh-huh. It was, it was like my car was a wreck. Chioma Nnadi: Did you feel like fashion was a, was an armor, like, was a, was a tool? Because I do think, "Yes. Exhausting." But it also is like, what kind of, what's more exhausting is have to deal with all the, the switching. And if that is the thing that helps you navigate these different environments and these different worlds and- Greta Lee: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: ... then it's actually your best tool. Greta Lee: For me, it was like a full, an active rebellion. Like it was the way I could say, "I'm taking up space." Um, it's taken me some time and as an adult to understand what that was about. Um, and that you being an Asian American woman, being an outsider, I was always fighting this feeling of, "Don't make any sudden movements. Don't draw attention to yourself." And like, that's just like being a woman. Right? Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: Those feelings of like, "Don't be too much." Chloe Malle: Right. Well, I mean, I love that for your first Emmys, you were like, "You know what? I'm just gonna wear this Sesame Street green, Christopher John Rogers." Greta Lee: Yes. Chloe Malle: Taffeta balloon almost. Chioma Nnadi: That was cool. That was so cool. Greta Lee: With pockets. Yeah. Chloe Malle: Chioma is a big fan of a ballgown with pockets. Greta Lee: I... Oh, yeah. It's so functional. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Chloe Malle: That... Chioma Nnadi: I love that. Yeah. Chloe Malle: That's Chioma's Met Gala secret. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Chloe Malle: She doesn't bring a purse. She just makes sure a dress has pockets. Greta Lee: Oh, yeah. I'm gonna steal that. That's, that's a good secret. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Chioma Nnadi: It was a good dress. Greta Lee: I loved that dress and I'm, I, he will have a special place in my heart forever. And that also matched Maxine, the character that I was playing on Russian Doll. The color and the feel like the volume. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: 'Cause Maxine was wearing that sea foam green. I mean it's, I think it's like H&M but that made sense for her. We, that was intentional. But the feeling of that, of that wild woman I like felt that in the dress in- Chloe Malle: That's so funny. Greta Lee: ... Christopher's dress. Chloe Malle: Who are your style icons? Like when you think about who you wanna look like on the red carpet. Greta Lee: Oh, man. I love like Tilda. I'd love that she- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Tilda forever. Chloe Malle: You're giving Tilda vibes, I think. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Yeah. Greta Lee: Thank you so much. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: I can leave now. That's... Oh my God, thank you so much. Chloe Malle: Tilda Swinton for those- Greta Lee: Tilda Swinton. Chloe Malle: ... insane people who don't know. Greta Lee: Right, right. We just, we just did, not just, but we did a movie together. We did- Chloe Malle: Oh, wow. Greta Lee: ... Julio Torres's Problemista. I have this one scene with Tilda where we're holding each other, crying and spinning on this pretend lazy Susan. I mean, it was one of the wildest experiences ever to hold her and spin and like, it was my dream. But she is just the baddest bitch ever. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Ever. And that's, that's what I wanna be. The way she wears clothes- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: ... incredible. You know? Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: You, you're a farmer in a way. Greta Lee: I am. Chioma Nnadi: Are you? Greta Lee: You know what? It's 'cause there's no, uh, segue, a natural segue into the fact that I now have chickens. [Laughs]. Chloe Malle: That's why. Chioma Nnadi: Since when do you have chickens? Greta Lee: Oh, man. Okay. I first got chicken- Chioma Nnadi: Takes the chickens. Greta Lee: Oh gosh. Yeah, exactly. Would you like to come to London with chicken? Chioma Nnadi: [inaudible 00:40:11] emotional support chicken, right? Delta [inaudible 00:40:14]. Greta Lee: Can you imagine? Oh my gosh. Chioma Nnadi: I can actually, I can. I've seen many things on a Delta plane that, I thought I'd never see in life. Greta Lee: Yeah. Just a small chicken. Um, I got, I think we got one a, our first, uh, flock of chickens a few months ago. And I'm sorry, but they, they died. Uh, you know- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, I'm sorry. Chloe Malle: No, this, this is what happens when you were chickens. Greta Lee: It's okay. It's a natural... Yep. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, okay. Chloe Malle: It's like- Greta Lee: This is like a PSA for chicken owners. It, you have to be prepared. Chioma Nnadi: Well how long was the lifespan? Chloe Malle: What did, how did you describe it before to us? Greta Lee: Basically it's like, I have a vending machine of chickens for the coyotes and the hawks and all- Chloe Malle: There's so many predators in LA. Greta Lee: There's so many. It's like having- Chioma Nnadi: Did you know this before you got there? Chloe Malle: Human and animals. Greta Lee: Yes, I did. And yet I still went for it. Chloe Malle: Why? Greta Lee: I don't know. I don't know. But now in it. Chioma Nnadi: Is it because of the eggs or because you want something to look after? Like what's, why? Greta Lee: They passed before they started giving us eggs- Chioma Nnadi: Oh my God, no. This is not for me. Uh-uh. Greta Lee: But it happened when we... Well, we got them for months. It was great. And, and really only chicken- Chioma Nnadi: Is it for the kids? Do they like them? Greta Lee: They love them. Chioma Nnadi: Okay, great. Greta Lee: And I fully- Chioma Nnadi: And they [inaudible 00:41:22]- Greta Lee: ... endorse it. Yes. They... Having chickens, they're the easiest pet except for the fact that they get killed so easily. But having them around is so wonderful. I remember having fittings like a Chanel fitting with like a chicken hopping by- Chioma Nnadi: No. Oh my God. Greta Lee: It's just like a gentle reminder of like, you know, the full spectrum of life. Right? Chioma Nnadi: I'm still not quite sure where you got chickens. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. She lives in a former goat ranch. Greta Lee: Yes. Chloe Malle: Right? Chioma Nnadi: Okay. Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair. Greta Lee: We have, we have, we live in a- Chioma Nnadi: Context, context. Greta Lee: ... tiny little house- Chioma Nnadi: Context. Greta Lee: ... on an acre of land. Chloe Malle: Greta, we're a fashion and culture podcast, but we like to know what- Greta Lee: To talk more about chickens. Chloe Malle: Exactly. What, uh, what are you consuming right now? What's your cultural diet at this moment? Greta Lee: Well, succession. Chloe Malle: Yes. Greta Lee: But now there's a gaping hole. Chioma Nnadi: I feel... I know. Greta Lee: What, what do we do? Chioma Nnadi: I feel depressed. Chloe Malle: What are you gonna fill the hole with? Greta Lee: I don't know. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: I don't know. Chioma Nnadi: But I've just been re-watching Sex and the City. Greta Lee: Oh. The original. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. There was a, an article, an interview you did where you were talking about how your early life in New York was so influenced by Sex and the City. Greta Lee: It was. Chioma Nnadi: Favorite season. Greta Lee: I'm not even ashamed of it. I mean- Chioma Nnadi: Hard to pick, right? Hard. Greta Lee: It's so hard. It depends... I mean, okay. The way... I went to Northwestern and I was in a sorority. [Laughs]. Chioma Nnadi: Wouldn't have guessed. Greta Lee: I know. I try to keep it under wraps. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: You know, it conflicts with my brand. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Uh, but, you know- Chloe Malle: Well, the [inaudible 00:42:47] sorority is- Greta Lee: Well, don't tell John- Chloe Malle: ... not [inaudible 00:42:47]. Greta Lee: ... do not tell Jonathan. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: I was in Kappa Kappa Gamma. Chioma Nnadi: Oh my God. Greta Lee: However, fun fact, Meghan Markle was in my sorority. Chioma Nnadi: Get out. Greta Lee: She was our- Chloe Malle: She went to Northwestern? Greta Lee: She went to Northwestern. She was our rush chair. Chioma Nnadi: Oh my goodness. Greta Lee: She was the face of the sorority. She opened the door and, and said, "Hello- Chloe Malle: Yeah- Greta Lee: ... "Welcome to Kappa Kappa Gamma- Chloe Malle: ... that feels more [inaudible 00:43:05] than [inaudible 00:43:05]. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Greta Lee: Yes. Thank you. Uh, I mean, well, whatever. No disrespect fine. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Uh, there's a space for all of this. Uh, but [laughing], but at that time, I, you know, I was in Evanston, Illinois and this idea of New York City was funneled to me through Sex and the City. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: You know, like, that's just what, how it was. I, and I- I fully moved to New York, um, on the coattails of like this fantasy of what my life was gonna be. So like, I'm gonna be just throwing money away on Cosmos and like Manolos, which is like the complete opposite from what happened. Chioma Nnadi: Well, I'm getting close. [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Yeah. [Laughs]. Chioma Nnadi: Not, minus the Cosmos, but I do like a Manolo. Greta Lee: Have you had a Cosmo recently? Chioma Nnadi: No. Chloe Malle: They're back apparently. Greta Lee: They are. Chioma Nnadi: Are they... Greta Lee: They're back. Chioma Nnadi: Okay. So that's the new cultural diet. Cosmos. Chloe Malle: Cosmos and Manolos. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Greta Lee: Cosmos and... I love it. Chioma Nnadi: So retro. Chloe Malle: I love you had a great. Said, "I'd own a house right now if it weren't for Sex and the City." [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, so you, so you were very into buying... You, on your waitress salary, you bought high-end stuff? Greta Lee: Let's just- Chloe Malle: Lots of [inaudible 00:44:13]. Greta Lee: ... say there were some bad choices. [Laughs]. Chioma Nnadi: Oh. Greta Lee: Well I... You know... Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: A baguette. Did you own a baguette? Greta Lee: God- Chioma Nnadi: Do you own a baguette? Greta Lee: I do. Chloe Malle: A Fendi baguette, Chioma. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, sorry- Greta Lee: A Fendi- Chloe Malle: Just for people who don't know- Chioma Nnadi: Sorry. Chloe Malle: ... we're not talking about bon [inaudible 00:44:25]. Chioma Nnadi: We're not talking about bread. Okay. Okay. What about the croissant? Chloe Malle: Oh. Chioma Nnadi: The croissant. The Fendi croissant. Chloe Malle: Oh, I didn't know there was a Fendi croissant. Chioma Nnadi: I think there is. This is the little guy. Greta Lee: Yeah. I don't have that one. A lot... My love of bags. So I mean, really it comes from my mom. My mom has this idea. I mean, this is very- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, the Chanel bag that was passed down to you. Greta Lee: Yes. Chloe Malle: Wait, tell us about that. Greta Lee: Um, my, well my grandmother was a... I mean, it's incredible. She grew up in poverty and she, it was wartime, but I think that's like my relationship with luxury goods comes from... I mean, you could argue it's materialistic. I don't have to do that here. I'm at vogue. Chioma Nnadi: No, you don't. It's not materialistic. Chloe Malle: This is a safe space for luxury [inaudible 00:45:07]. Chioma Nnadi: [inaudible 00:45:07] luxury goods. Greta Lee: Yes. Um, but, uh, but for her it was a way to, it was a symbol of survival and success and being a woman, there was a tremendous pride in owning Chanel. Um, and that it was an indicator of being, um, like a fully fleshed woman- Chloe Malle: In Korea? Greta Lee: In Korea. Chloe Malle: Interesting. Greta Lee: Um, and, and then also now in, in LA I mean my mom is just like a huge bag lady. Chioma Nnadi: Love. Greta Lee: In, in the literal sense. Um, and she, she gives me- Chioma Nnadi: I bet she's super chic. Greta Lee: ... bags, she is [inaudible 00:45:43] bag. She is. She's really chic. Chloe Malle: What's her style like? Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Describe it. Greta Lee: Well, I guess she's kind of nailed the LA problem in that she does... There is a little bit of athleisure, but it'll be, it'll be like- Chioma Nnadi: But I love it with the Chanel bag. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: Oh, yeah. It'll be like Nike golf clothes. Chioma Nnadi: Good. Chloe Malle: Oh, that's [inaudible 00:46:02] athleisure vibe. Chioma Nnadi: That's good. With a pleat. We wanna, we wanna pant with a pleat, yes. Greta Lee: With a, with a pleat and like, but with accessories, with like a belt. Um, and handbag absolutely, fine jewelry. She's a big jewelry person. I'm really, that's the one thing that I'm not really a jewelry person. Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, I like jewelry. Greta Lee: Except, except Cartier. I love you, Cartier. If you were wanting to, you know, like [laughs]. I really like these [laughs] shameless. I would, I love classic pieces that have meaning. And I- I end up not wearing a lot of extra things... It's just, I gravitate towards things that are simple and 'cause it, because it's all about the clothes or it has been all about the clothes. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Greta Lee: But we are really different. She's hyper femme. Chloe Malle: Okay. Greta Lee: And I'm, in her eyes, essentially a man. Chioma Nnadi: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Like she cannot comprehend- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. What does she think- Greta Lee: ... my choices. Chioma Nnadi: ... of your red carpet choices? Like what, what, what's been her favorite of everything that you've worn? Greta Lee: I mean, okay. I'm trying to think what... I'm trying to think about what my most feminine... She's, she's a classicist. You know, she has an idea. I think like, if, if I could turn into like an Asian Amal Clooney, she would be thrilled. That's what she wants for me. You know? Or like- Chioma Nnadi: Amal Clooney is very popular on our website. Just saying. Chloe Malle: Just like a pristine [inaudible 00:47:22]. Greta Lee: [inaudible 00:47:22] great. Chioma Nnadi: People love her style. Chloe Malle: Huge traffic driver. Chioma Nnadi: Huge traffic driver. Greta Lee: Okay. Yes. My... I have to add though, my sister, who's just a year younger than me, and she now lives, she moved from LA to Dallas and she's an artist. She's fabulous. The two of us could not be more different. Chloe Malle: Okay. Greta Lee: I mean, like, she is, she, I guess she is Amal. I mean, like you- Chioma Nnadi: She's an artist and she- Greta Lee: Her name is Sharon Lee and- Chioma Nnadi: ... dresses like Amal. That's unusual. Greta Lee: But, but it's Dallas baby- Chioma Nnadi: Right, right. Okay- Greta Lee: ... You know, Texas. Chioma Nnadi: ... fair, fair, fair. Greta Lee: I mean, she's much more Carolina Herrera- Chloe Malle: Interesting. Greta Lee: She's... Uh, and I, and, and I am a man [laughs]. I am like, you know, a hipster quote unquote. Like she, she again, she... My mother... You, you're understanding the dynamic. My mom and my sister cannot comprehend what my choice is. The short hair- Chloe Malle: What did they think of the pom pom shoes? Greta Lee: I... You know, it's like, didn't even register. Chloe Malle: Okay. Greta Lee: You know, it's like maybe they were just like- Chioma Nnadi: They're just like, "Oh, okay. That's just you being you. Greta... That's just Greta being Greta." Greta Lee: Yeah. Like, "She's crazy." And that's... [Laughs]. Chloe Malle: [Laughs]. Greta Lee: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Thank you so much for tuning. Chloe Malle: Greta, so much for coming. Greta Lee: Oops. For having me. You guys practice that, right? Chloe Malle: Yeah, we do. We always [inaudible 00:48:35] synchronized. That's it for this episode of The Run-Through. Chioma Nnadi: The Run-Trough Vogue is a production of Condé Nast Entertainment. Chloe Malle: The show is produced by Suzie Lechtenberg, Chelsea Daniel and Alex Jhamb Burns. It's engineered by Jake Lummus, Gabe Quiroga, and Kevin Bourassa. And mixed by Mike Kutchman. See you soon. Bye.