Chloe Malle: This is The Run-Through. I'm Chloe Malle. Chioma Nnadi: And I'm Chioma Nnadi. Chloe Malle: We have with us now, Vogue's resident movie critic. Taylor, we're so excited to have you here. Can you remind us who you are? Taylor Antrim: I am Taylor Antrim. I'm the deputy editor of Vogue, and, um, I oversee features. Chloe Malle: What qualifies you to speak about the Cannes Film Festival? Taylor Antrim: Uh, not much. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: I was not there. Uh, I do write about film, uh, for the magazine and the website. Hard pivot. Chloe Malle: What were the big, uh, Cannes, uh, moments, Taylor? Taylor Antrim: Watching Cannes from afar is, um, i- it feels like the most appropriate experience because so much is made of this film festival, you would think it was like Disney World, the Met, all... like everything rolled into one. And yet, you look at the films, which if you care about movies, which I do, as you guys know, the movies are, like, wonderful, but, like, crazy esoteric. I mean, you... we have like a four and a half hour Steve McQueen film about Amsterdam during the German Occupation. I mean name- Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Taylor Antrim: ... 12 people- Chloe Malle: Really? Taylor Antrim: ... name 12 people who are gonna go see that movie. Chioma Nnadi: Surprised he's making that movie. Taylor Antrim: But everyone is riveted by a picture of Lily-Rose Depp smoking a cigarette- Chioma Nnadi: Right. Yeah. Taylor Antrim: ... before she gets into a car, right? Chloe Malle: In couture. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, well, we've covered that a lot. Yes. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: Right. So, so the problem there is that, [inaudible 00:01:12] you even talked about this on your [inaudible 00:01:13]podcast, this, this is where I learn things, my, my, [laughs] my dinner party conversation comes from listening to you guys. So I'm like, "Did you know that you smoke a cigarette in a vintage dress- Chioma Nnadi: The internet will get you. Chloe Malle: [inaudible 00:01:23] Taylor Antrim: ... they're gonna come for you. Um, yeah, so it's just like quintessentially high, low. You've got the Indiana Jones of it all. The, the, um, [inaudible 00:01:33]- Chloe Malle: I'm sorry, is, is Harrison Ford in that? Taylor Antrim: 80 -- Is he il- in that? Chloe Malle: I don't know, but it just seems crazy to me. How old is he? Taylor Antrim: There goes my theory that everyone pays attention to everything and comes out at Cannes. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: Uh, he's definitely in that. He's 80, he wept at Cannes out of like a fit of nostalgia about his youth, his l- lost youth, one might say. But, um, a mini controversy that came out of it, apart from the fact that the movie apparently is quite bad- Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: .. they de-age him. Chioma Nnadi: No, they don't. Taylor Antrim: Just like in the last Scorsese movie, they were de-aging Robert De Niro, and I think the- Chloe Malle: Huh? Taylor Antrim: ... the take on the streets is, enough with the de-aging already. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Okay. But we don't care when they age people? Taylor Antrim: We're all for aging. What we're not for is de-aging. Chloe Malle: I see. Taylor Antrim: Like, we love an 80-year-old Harrison Ford weeping at red carpet. Chloe Malle: I mean, I think all the plastic surgeons at the Upper East Side would beg to differ, but fine. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: Yeah. Yeah. [inaudible 00:02:23] of it all is, is saying- Chloe Malle: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Taylor Antrim: ... de-age me, please. Chloe Malle: For a f- film-interested person l- such as yourself, what are the main takeaways of movies we're excited about that are gonna set the cultural tone for this year? Taylor Antrim: Yes, so I have three that I'm really excited about. Chloe Malle: Okay. Taylor Antrim: And, um, it is really a showcase for art house movies and movies that are for a, quite a niche audience. But, you know, some of them really break through. I mean, you know, think about Parasite, which was a Cannes film that, um, won the Academy Award and broke through. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: This year the Palme d'Or was won, um, by a French film called the Anatomy of a Fall. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: That, uh, Anatomy of a Fall, which I'm very excited to see, and, um, I would like you to hold onto your hats for the big film trend of the year, which is French courtroom dramas. Chloe Malle: Woo, niche. Chioma Nnadi: Ooh. Chloe Malle: Okay. Taylor Antrim: Are you ready for this? Chloe Malle: [laughing] Taylor Antrim: Well, I don't, I don't know if you all saw that, um, wonderful [inaudible 00:03:16] film, [inaudible 00:03:18]. Chioma Nnadi: I wanna watch that. I've got it on my list. Taylor Antrim: Yeah. So that- Chioma Nnadi: That's another courtroom drama. Taylor Antrim: That's a French courtroom drama. Chioma Nnadi: Okay. Taylor Antrim: And I feel like that set the tone because you g- you put the French onto a courtroom drama, and it's not A- Aaron Sorkin. This is like some highly esoteric, like intellectual, you know, courtroom dramatics and- Chloe Malle: Ooh, Sorkin deep cut. Taylor Antrim: Well, [laughing] um... Chloe Malle: Did Justine Triet, Triet- Taylor Antrim: Good call. Chloe Malle: .. did she win? Taylor Antrim: Yeah, she's the director and- Chloe Malle: But I mean, did she... Isn't... doesn't the director get a separate Palme d'Or? Taylor Antrim: Yeah, but she did not win that. Chloe Malle: Oh. Oh. Chioma Nnadi: [laughing] Taylor Antrim: Uh, but her film won the Palme d'Or and she's the third woman in history to will- win the Palme d'Or. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Taylor Antrim: That was Julia Ducournau in 2021 for a almost unwatchable film called Titane. Chloe Malle: What were the big, like the potential blockbuster movies at Cannes? Taylor Antrim: Right. You're already bored by my three esoteric picks. Chloe Malle: I'm done, I'm done with Courtroom France. [laughs] Taylor Antrim: No, no. You've got, you've got Martin Scorsese with, uh, Killers of the Flower Moon. Chloe Malle: Or as you called it, Flowers of the Killer Moon. Taylor Antrim: [laughs] I still... even saying it, I wasn't sure which it was, but it's, um, three and a half hours of Leonard DiCaprio and, you know, um- Chloe Malle: But isn't the young woman in it- Chioma Nnadi: Lily, Lily Gladstone seems to be- Chloe Malle: ... gonna be the big thing? Chioma Nnadi: ... and in, in the, in v- Valentino made her stuff. I thought she looked great. Taylor Antrim: Um, and then, uh, Wes Anderson had a new movie everyone is excited about. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, Asteroid City. Taylor Antrim: Right. Which I think looks a little middling, to be honest. So that brings me in my second pick. I'm forging ahead with my own agenda here, Chloe. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: Uh, which is Todd Haynes. And Todd Haynes is back- Chioma Nnadi: Love Todd Haynes. Taylor Antrim: ... yes, he was back with a film called May December, which looks absolutely delightful. I, um, myself had fallen off a bit with Todd Haynes, I remember really loving, um- Chloe Malle: Far from Heaven. Taylor Antrim: Yeah, that, that's the one. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Taylor Antrim: That's a great movie. But I'd fallen off a bit with him and I'm excited to see this one, May December. So it stars Julianne Moore, who, uh, in her 30s had a inappropriate sexual relationship with a 13-year-old boy, and Natalie Portman plays an actress who is coming to interview her, to play her in a, in a film. And it sounds... It's basically about, you know, tabloid culture. Um, and my third would be the, um, filmmaker, British filmmaker, Jonathan Glazer, hasn't made a movie for a decade, and he's back with a film called The Zone of Interest, which is- Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: ... set in Auschwitz and is based on a novel by the late Martin Amis, who we're all still mourning, literally [inaudible 00:05:28]- Chloe Malle: Chioma is not a huge fan. Chioma Nnadi: No, but- Taylor Antrim: Oh yes, I heard this. Chioma Nnadi: No, I know. I just never got into it. I- w- Chloe Malle: That's fair. Don't be embarrassed. Chioma Nnadi: It was one of wh- a holiday and somebody put... I was... read so many, tried so many of his books and couldn't get into it, but- Chloe Malle: Yeah, no. Taylor Antrim: Fair enough. Yeah, no, he's a, he is a bit of, he is a bit of a taste. Anyway, this was one of his late novels and it was, um, a very divisive novel. And the movie is dividing critics too. I mean, it won the 2nd Place prize at Cannes. Um, but I was just reading Manohla Dargis in the New York Times who said, um... who had very no- uh, not so nice things to say about the movie. So Jonathan Glazer- Chloe Malle: Hmm. Taylor Antrim: ... you would know him from Under The Skin- Chloe Malle: Okay. Taylor Antrim: ... which is when Scarlett Johansson played like an alien- Chloe Malle: Oh yeah, I remember that one. Taylor Antrim: Very bizarre. Right? Chloe Malle: Yeah. That was a bizarre movie. Taylor Antrim: Definitely a mood piece. Um, and Sexy Beast was his first film. Chloe Malle: Oh, cool. I love that film. Taylor Antrim: Super cool film. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: So anyway, I'm really excited for that. So those are three. Chloe Malle: Okay. Taylor Antrim: May December, Zone of Interest, and Anatomy of a Fall. Chloe Malle: Okay. And then, The Idol also premiered. Taylor Antrim: Oh, thanks for bringing up The Idol. Chioma Nnadi: Oh yeah, The Idol. Taylor Antrim: Yeah. W- That's, that's gonna be on HBO like tomorrow. Chloe Malle: This week. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: I mean, apparently that's the thing we're all supposed to console ourselves with after the end of Succession, is watching The Idol. Chioma Nnadi: I know. Oh, no, I know. Chloe Malle: And it's supposed to be terrible. Taylor Antrim: Oh my God. Yeah. It looks terrible. It looks terrible. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, no. Taylor Antrim: But they showed two episodes- Chioma Nnadi: Sunday nights are not the same, never the same. Taylor Antrim: Yeah. [laughs] They showed two episodes at Cannes, and I would say the reception was lukewarm, to be honest. Chloe Malle: I see, I see. Taylor Antrim: Um, but this could be a show that no matter how it's received, everyone's gonna watch it. Chloe Malle: That's probably true. Chioma Nnadi: What are you gonna watch if you're not watching Succession now, now that you're not watching Succession? Chloe Malle: I'm back to [inaudible 00:06:52]. Chioma Nnadi: [laughing] Taylor Antrim: As if you ever left. Um, how did we all feel about the end of Succession? What I thought was s- so like, right and inevitable about it, was that in the final episode, none of the Roy children got the job. Tom Wambsgans, how do you say his last name- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: ... uh, got the job. Chioma Nnadi: Uh, I feel really bad for Shiv. I'm sort of emotionally invested in her. Taylor Antrim: So explain that to me. Was there like a- Chloe Malle: Really? Taylor Antrim: ... thing on social media- Chioma Nnadi: Really. Taylor Antrim: ... about like, Shiv was done dirty by this show? Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I mean, I felt like she, out of all the siblings, just seemed like, just sort of had some common sense and felt... It just felt like such a, a narrative for the woman to be completely fucked over- Chloe Malle: She won. In my- Chioma Nnadi: How did she win? How did she win? Taylor Antrim: Well, she's in the car with the CEO. Chloe Malle: Of the three, she came out the t- closest to the top. Chioma Nnadi: I still... she- Taylor Antrim: I mean, Roman and Kendall are nowhere at the end of that show. Chioma Nnadi: No, you're right. I didn't. I guess I didn't- Taylor Antrim: She's in the car with the new CEO. Chioma Nnadi: But the way she puts her hand on, in his hand, it doesn't feel like it was a... That feels like a choice she didn't wanna make. She sort of had to be... I don't know. I don't know. Chloe Malle: I think that if you flip their genders and Shiv had been given the CEO ru- role and- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... Tom had saved it somehow because he knew he could control her and they were driving out that car together, you'd be like, "Oh, he nailed it. He wo- he-" Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: But- Chioma Nnadi: Can he... can she control him? Chloe Malle: I think she can. I think she's much smarter than him and- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, she is way smaller than him. Taylor Antrim: The thing that I didn't fully understand, when we're talking about Shiv, in that moment where she can't bring herself to vote- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Taylor Antrim: ... for, um, her brother, Kendall, is what was going through her head? And I really turned it over in the moment as I was watching. I was like, "You know, what is the sticking point for her?" Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: Is it her thinking, "Well, if I throw my lot in with my, you know, estranged husband, uh, father of my unborn child, w- can I make off, you know, uh, with some piece of this, you know, future company?" Or is it just that, like, she could not bear to see her brother behind the desk of her father? Chloe Malle: I think it was more premeditated. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Taylor Antrim: You do? Chloe Malle: I think... Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: You think it was more premeditated? Taylor Antrim: So I think it's more the latter and that maybe speaks to the thing- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I don't think it was... I don't think it's premeditated. Taylor Antrim: ... you were talking about, where I thought it was a human moment- Chloe Malle: Okay. Taylor Antrim: ... she just could not stomach it, you know? Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: We may never know. What was your fashion take on the last episode? Chioma Nnadi: I mean, so the last episode, the thing that... the, the one thing that actually my boyfriend noticed in the m- i- which stopped us from being transfixed by the whole thing, was the fact that Matsson was wearing a turtleneck. And he asked me, "What do you think of that look?" Chloe Malle: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: I said- Taylor Antrim: A- And you said? Chioma Nnadi: I said, "Never wear that. That's horrible." Taylor Antrim: [laughing] Chioma Nnadi: So we had a long debate about turtlenecks and- Chloe Malle: Men and turtlenecks? Chioma Nnadi: ... yeah, and then it just made me think of Elizabeth Holmes and her sort of creepy CEO turtlenecks- Chloe Malle: Turtleneck is a very weighted outfit for a tech CEO, for sure. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. It's like a bad, it's such a b- and I thought it was really interesting that they chose that look. Chloe Malle: Um, Chioma, I saw a picture of an Iranian model who wore dress at Cannes that was a noose around her neck. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. And I think people are quite upset. I mean, some people are supporting the moment, obviously, because it's a, it's a huge political statement and she's drawing attention to the situation in Iran- Chloe Malle: Calling an end to the executions? Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: ... triggered by the wave of protests. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Right. The problem is about making political statements on the red carpet is, generally, the fashion is never that great, [laughs] but you know, I mean, you get the attention. So I feel conflicted about it. I think it's sort of a really- Taylor Antrim: And we're gonna see more of it, right? I mean, I also note the Ukrainian- Chioma Nnadi: There are ways to do that feel... yeah- Taylor Antrim: ... influencer who poured blood on herself, right? Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, I just don't know. I mean, I guess it gets people... n- nothing tame- Chloe Malle: Does it get people talking about it? Chioma Nnadi: ... nothing tame will get people talking. It does. People were talking about the noose- Chloe Malle: A personal promotion ploy. Chioma Nnadi: It's not a personal promotion ploy, but to bring attention to... uh, unless you're a really high level, uh, celebrity and you are wearing a pin and you could talk about the pin, and maybe- Chloe Malle: Right. Chioma Nnadi: ... someone will pick it up and mention it. Taylor Antrim: So, uh, no thoughts on the Debt Ceiling? What do we think? Chioma Nnadi: Ooh.[laughing] Chloe Malle: Super Run-Through. Taylor Antrim: Are we gonna get this through Congress, guys? Chloe Malle: What are they gonna wear? Taylor Antrim: [laughing] What are they gonna wear at the signing? Maybe black. What, what color pins? Chioma Nnadi: [laughing] Chloe Malle: Thank you, Taylor. We're, we're, we're good. Taylor Antrim: Always happy to be here, guys. Chioma Nnadi: Thank you for coming. So later in the show, we have a conversation with Lauren Santo Domingo. And if you haven't ever seen her on Instagram, then let me just say- Chloe Malle: She's a real friend of Vogue, so- Chioma Nnadi: ... she's a real friend of Vogue. Chloe Malle: ... I feel like if you're listening to this podcast, you probably are familiar with her or some of her red carpet ensembles. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, and she actually, she's really good at Instagram too. She's funny. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: I mean, she has the best style, but she's also best caption game, I think. Chloe Malle: Yeah. [laughs] It's an, it's an important element. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. So she, she founded Moda Operandi- Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: --- which is the- Chloe Malle: After working at Vogue. Chioma Nnadi: After working at Vogue, and was recently appointed the artistic director of Tiffany Home Collection, which is a big deal. Chloe Malle: Well, and she's also a legendary hostess herself, and- Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: ... so we chatted with her about, sort of, summer hostessing, gifts to bring. Also, her closet she's been doing an intensive closet reorganization, and, uh, she has a very strict closet rule that you'll hear about later. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, she certainly does. Chloe Malle: [laughs] But before we get to that, we are heading to- Chioma Nnadi: Brazil. Chloe Malle: That's right. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: This evening the Carolina Herrera Resort show is taking place in Rio de Janeiro. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. I promise never to use that accent again. [laughs] And you know, we were lucky enough to have the creative director of Carolina Herrera, Wes Gordon, here in the studio, just before he was jetting off to Brazil. Chloe Malle: The boy from Upanema. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Chloe Malle: He's actually from Atlanta, but anyway. [laughing] Yeah, he was, he was on route. Chioma Nnadi: He was on route. And he, he came in with all the boards, the boards being all the looks of his collection, which looked super colorful. So I think we're in for a treat tonight. Chloe Malle: And it was fun to chat with him. And he's also a young new dad. He has a two-month-old baby girl, Georgia, and his son, Henry is turning two- Chioma Nnadi: Oh. Chloe Malle: ... next week. Um, Wes and I both have, uh, homes in Northwest Connecticut, and Wes's farm up there is really something to behold. It is like the Disney version of the farm you dream of. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: I have to remind my three-year-old, I was like, "Most farms don't look like this. Don't get used to this." Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: Like the chicken coop is just beautiful. Chioma Nnadi: I need to move. Chloe Malle: The eggs are gorgeous. Chioma Nnadi: Moving to the chicken coops. Chloe Malle: Yes, exactly. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] So here's Wes. Chloe Malle: Welcome, Wes. Wes Gordon: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here. Chloe Malle: Would you... could you introduce yourself to our listeners? Wes Gordon: I'm Wes Gordon and I am the creative director of Carolina Herrera. Chioma Nnadi: And we have you, we have you in the studio on the brink of a very big trip. Aren't you headed to Rio? Wes Gordon: I am headed to Rio Friday evening for a couple of firsts. It's the first time that Carolina Herrera is doing a pre-collection runway show, and it's also- Chloe Malle: Oh. Wes Gordon: ... the first time we're doing a destination show. So, you know, so for a 40-year-old company, that's quite a big shift in the, in the schedule. And, um, we're very excited about it. Chloe Malle: Tell us why. Wes Gordon: Well, first of all, I think it's, it's the resort collection, right? And the resort season has become so important to us as a brand. Uh, you know, we, we stage... we will forever stage our spring and fall shows in New York, and we're a proud part of New York Fashion Week. But our biggest season for business for the company is resort. I always, as a designer, feel like a beautiful moment to just have a conversation with the customer, right? And really think about clothes that she wants to wear. Chloe Malle: I'm still wondering how we get to Rio, like- Wes Gordon: Airplane. Chloe Malle: ... you've always just done a look book- Chioma Nnadi: [laughing] Chloe Malle: ... it's always just been photographs. You're all sitting, like, the kitchen cabinet powers that be are- at Herrera, are siting in a room- Wes Gordon: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... together and you're like, "One, I think we should stage a show. Two, I think it should be in South America. Three, I've always dreamed of Rio-" Wes Gordon: Yeah. Chloe Malle: ... or are there other elements that are coming? Wes Gordon: There are other elements. I think, uh, uh, uh- Chloe Malle: Like are they a particularly big market? Wes Gordon: ... the, the company's been growing amazingly. So, so really, it's, um, you know, each year we're, we're achieving amazing growth milestones, and the collection's becoming more and more international in our distribution and in our clientele. And something that's so special about Herrera is that it's, it's a global fashion brand, but it's also a global accessories, beauty, and fragrance brand. So we have a lot of different rooms of our house, or members of our family. [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: And tell me, where in Rio? Wh- what's the, what's the plan? Wes Gordon: We're d- we're doing a couple days. Chioma Nnadi: Okay. Wes Gordon: And you know, if you're, you know, kind of basing out of the Copacabana, and the actual show will take place, uh, around sunset at a beautiful private residence, um, up on top of the hill- Chioma Nnadi: Nice. Wes Gordon: ... overlooking the water. We're building an outdoor runway. Chloe Malle: Oh my gosh. Chioma Nnadi: And how are you casting the show? Is it, is it gonna be Brazilian models? Wes Gordon: Entirely, every model is Brazilian. Chioma Nnadi: Amazing. I love that. Wes Gordon: So all of the c- Chioma Nnadi: I mean, lot to choose from there. [laughs] Wes Gordon: Uh, yeah, exactly. It's like, it's... yes, we're doing all local casting and we're committing to doing that, and we would do that, whatever venue we were going to. I think that, uh, uh, the Herrera, that, that I've worked on over the past five years is about color and joy and joy of life and optimism, and this kind of one foot in a, a kind of a Latin heritage and one foot on 7th Avenue in New York, and, and my dream of Rio, this idea and aura of Rio is very much an embodiment of all of those ideals. And this collection, I really wanted to kind of blur the line between what's casual and what's dressy, what's day, what's evening, because I think the a- answer for... at Herrera is that it doesn't really matter as long as it's fabulous and that you feel great wearing it. Um, so we're actually bringing a lot of the atelier to Rio. We're setting up an atelier in Rio. Chloe Malle: Oh, my gosh. Wes Gordon: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 'cause we're doing all our looks- Chloe Malle: Are they all excited? Wes Gordon: ... we're doing fittings. Super excited, everyone's so excited. I, um, I overheard a meeting earlier today that I- I- I couldn't join for all the people going to Rio and they were practicing Portuguese- Chloe Malle: Oh. Wes Gordon: ... um, some like basic Portuguese phrases. Chloe Malle: Love that. Wes Gordon: It's amazing. Chioma Nnadi: So the collection itself, is it inspired by Brazil or wh- how did you think... put this collection together differently, knowing that it was gonna have such a big platform, be on the runway? Wes Gordon: I was really focused on an ease to the collection and, you know, what I said earlier, this idea that the, it's kind of turning upside down, the idea of what's dressed up and what's casual, playing with proportions a little bit, shirts get a little bigger, things get a little more relaxed and slouchy. Um, and then a- also simultaneously taking everything closer to the body and just going a little more sensual with the collection, a little more body con. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Wes Gordon: Um, it's coming up for- Chioma Nnadi: It feels like that mood's in the air, doesn't it? Wes Gordon: It's definitely in the air. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Wes Gordon: I feel like this kind of late '90s kind of mood. Um, but I found myself in fittings just stripping it away, um, and just that very vibrant color palette that, that when the pantones are all lined up on the wall, read like the sunset over the water in Rio. Chioma Nnadi: Nice. Chloe Malle: Can we see them? Wes Gordon: Um, yeah. If I have them here. I don't know what's in this mystery package Jodi handed me. Oh, no color palette. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: Well, these are all the looks, no? Wes Gordon: Yeah. But, okay. Let me preface this by saying- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Wes Gordon: ... these are, uh, more looks than we will have. This will e- get... be edited down. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Wes Gordon: This is not in a proper order. This is grouped by fabric. So... Because we had to ship the clothes six weeks early- Chloe Malle: Oh, wow. Wes Gordon: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Yeah. This must've been a nightmare for production. Wes Gordon: Crazy. It was the week before Met. Chloe Malle: Oh, wow. Wes Gordon: We had to ship 80 looks to Rio. Chloe Malle: Yikes. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Wes Gordon: I know. So a real achievement by the whole atelier. Chioma Nnadi: I don't want your shipping bill. Yeah. So how long- Wes Gordon: [inaudible 00:18:11] Chioma Nnadi: ... are you good at editing? Are you good at stripping back, or do you need help? Chloe Malle: [laughs] Wes Gordon: Um, well, so the normal lifecycle of a collection is you have a room full of samples, you work with your stylist, you make X number of looks, you know, and then as you do your fittings and you have the real girls come in, each model, each woman is... becomes a little bit of a different character, and sometimes a look you had planned to be a, a key look in the show, just doesn't quite fit with one of the girls. And this different woman starts emerging, this different narrative starts emerging as you're doing the fittings, which are so important 'cause it's, it's the actress, right? Like the rest are kind of costumes. Chloe Malle: That's interesting. Wes Gordon: So we haven't had an opportunity to do that. So in a way, these are like all the tools in my toolbox. Um, and I- I predict this like 80-ish number but it will become like 70-ish. Chioma Nnadi: That's not too... so pretty close, then. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Wes Gordon: Yeah, pretty close. Yeah. But I had to have my options there, you know? Chioma Nnadi: Right. Chloe Malle: Can you describe for the people who are listening- Wes Gordon: Yes. Chloe Malle: ... what you're looking at right now and what we're talking about, this sheet of paper? Wes Gordon: Right. So the piece of paper I unfolded that I gave a very long, um, explanation for, is a picture of a large board that's in our office of photos, that's, that's every look. So- Chloe Malle: Every look in the show, and then some. Wes Gordon: ... you, you work for three months making hundreds of different things. You have them all in one big room, and then you work very hard for a couple of days just nonstop trying iterations and combinations of different things. And when you find one that like feels right, you, you take a picture of it and you pin it to the board. And then, um, I remember when I first started as a designer, I'd be so nervous that I wouldn't have enough looks to do a show, that all those pieces somehow wouldn't come together, that the puzzle pieces wouldn't fit. And I'd have made all these pieces and end up with like five looks, and I needed 50. Now, my concern is more the opposite, that we need to edit it down. But yeah, so that's what we're looking at, it's a board of 81 looks, including three menswear looks, which we've never done before. Chloe Malle: Oh, wow. Chioma Nnadi: Oh. Wes Gordon: Yeah. Chloe Malle: In 2018, you took over as creative director for Carolina Herrera. Do you ever miss the Wes Gordon brand? Wes Gordon: Do I ever miss the Wes Gordon brand? No. I mean, listen, I had the best time doing it. I did it for eight years, which- Chioma Nnadi: It's a long time. Wes Gordon: A long time. I tell people this, I'm like, "Fashion is dog years." Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I know. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I know. Wes Gordon: So multiply it by seven, right, how- however long you've worked in- Chioma Nnadi: You maintained it for that... that's great. Wes Gordon: ... the industry. It's tough. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. It's hard. Wes Gordon: It's, it's tough and it's really hard to be an independent, small fashion brand. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Wes Gordon: Um, but I learned so much. It was amazing. You know, we did a lot of amazing things, and it really prepared me for what came next. Um, so, you know, after doing it eight years, Mrs. Herrera was, you know, thinking about retiring. I got a call to go there and consult for her for one year. So I spent a year with her side-by-side. And after that, she officially stepped down, she took a bow after her last show, and it's been five years. Chioma Nnadi: What was it like showing your designs to her for the first time? Were you nervous? Wes Gordon: I- I was nervous. Um, less of showing the designs because I wasn't showing designs, I was showing her kind of more mood boards, and I'd already met with several people prior to that. This was kind of the last, the last meeting. I got the phone call about it from the now president of Herrera, Emilie, who's great. Um, Emilie, if you're listening, you're amazing. Chioma Nnadi: Rubinfeld? Wes Gordon: Yeah. [laughs] So I went in and met with her, and the beautiful thing about it, which is a really good, I think, metaphor for all things Herrera, is we spent the first five minutes actually talking about the job and talking about design and, and the company. And the remainder of the hour together talking about life and talking about the TV shows we're watching, the books we're reading, our dogs, um, our families, you know, fl- the flowers on her table. And, you know, what she represents and what the house represents and what I aspire to maintain is this belief that a dress can just be a beautiful dress and that life can be bigger, and that, you know, the more you love life and live a full life, the more you bring to the table as a designer. Chloe Malle: What's the best advice she's given you? Wes Gordon: So, you know, we don't talk about fashion when I see her. She won't- Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Wes Gordon: ... she doesn't wanna talk about work, she doesn't wanna talk about fashion. But the few moments she's given me advice... Okay, is she said to me that sometimes the most rebellious thing you can do is to be elegant. Chioma Nnadi: Ah, love. Wes Gordon: Right? Chloe Malle: How would you describe the Herrera as- aesthetic if anyone's not familiar? Wes Gordon: So when you're a, a new creative director going to a house, especially a heritage house like this, you have to kind of wrestle with the existential question of, who am I, who is this house, and what am I going to bring to this house? And when I got off the elevator, it became very immediately clear to me because right in front of the elevator was the Warhol of Mrs. Herrera, which is a late '70s Warhol of, you know, her, her head, shoulders up, blonde hair, big earrings, big red lips, fabulous one shoulder dress, in all the Warhol kind of technical tones. And that to me is Herrera. That's what Herrera should be. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Wes Gordon: Like, that is this boldness, this glamour, you know, it's, it's, it's a woman who's getting dressed for her own joy. You know, when everyone's on, on the sidewalk is wearing like oatmeal and gray, she's in head to toe, hot pink or leopard. Chioma Nnadi: Is there anyone that you would like to dress- Wes Gordon: Anyone that I would like to dress? Chioma Nnadi: ... you haven't dressed already? Wes Gordon: The celebrity questions are hard always because I- Chioma Nnadi: Right. Wes Gordon: ... my real answer for that, the most exciting thing is to see a woman who's a 100% stranger at a party or- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, that is cool. That is cool. Wes Gordon: ... at a restaurant or walking down the sidewalk, wearing a piece that I've done. Like that, I get more genuinely excited about that than seeing, you know, someone... an, a celebrity in a piece, because I know that in a world of 10,000 options, she decided to get that one piece and wear it. Chloe Malle: I remember walking down Madison Avenue a couple years ago, and I knew from walking past the Herrera store in the window, they had a Wes design, an amazing bug cardigan. Wes Gordon: Oh, yeah. Chloe Malle: And I saw this gorgeous super-chic woman walking, wearing the cardigan. I was like, "Oh. That's the Herrera cardigan I love." And then I realized it was Wes's mom. Wes Gordon: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: Ah. Chloe Malle: Who's, like, the best model ever. Wes Gordon: I probably t- I probably told her that day just to like walk back up and forth from the store. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Exactly. Wes Gordon: Um, no, I started doing these cardigans 'cause I- I just, I wanted everything we do to be... I'm also, I've become so aware of, and it just dominates my thoughts at work all the time, just how much stuff there is in the world and how, um, I sometimes think we don't respect the act of making something new enough. Right? Because those things are gonna last a long time and we should make sure everything we're doing- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Wes Gordon: ... is something with purpose and is beautiful. Right? And not disposable. Um, so at the time, we had, you know, you're given a merchandising sheet and you have to make X things, right? Chloe Malle: Right. Wes Gordon: So cardigan, so I'm like, "We're not just gonna do a basic, if we're gonna do a cardigan..." So I started putting silly things on them, just early on. Chloe Malle: I love it. Wes Gordon: And it became a category in our merchandising team. They're called Conversation Cardigans actually, we a- a- Chloe Malle: Oh. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, cute. Wes Gordon: ... came up with a good alliteration title for them. Chloe Malle: Oh, my gosh. I'm obsessed with a Conversation Cardigan. Wes Gordon: Uh-huh. A Conversation Card- did you know there was such a thing? Chloe Malle: No. Wes Gordon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chioma Nnadi: No. Chloe Malle: And now I want a lot of them. Wes Gordon: Yeah. Um- Chloe Malle: As if I have trouble conversing. [laughing] Wes Gordon: Well, if you like, w- like, when you hit that, like when you just run out things to say, you can always bring it back to your cardigan. Chloe Malle: Back to the bus again. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Wes Gordon: Um, no, but it's just this idea that they're f- they're pieces that are meant to be remembered and enjoyed. We have, I would say, one of the last kind of real, true, couture-like ateliers, um, in America, is the Herrera workroom on, on, in our offices. We have, you know, you can- Chloe Malle: It's really incredible. I have never been- Wes Gordon: It's incredible. Chloe Malle: ... in a place like that in New York. Wes Gordon: It's magical, and, and I think all the time of people walking down on 7th Avenue, visiting Times Square, have no idea that 16 floors above their heads is a workroom of men and women in white coats- Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Wes Gordon: ... hand sewing and creating flowers- Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Wes Gordon: ... and tailoring and pressing beautiful fabrics. It's magical. It's the most exciting thing about my job, that I get to have access to their tremendous talent. And, you know, it, it's, so I get to make sure and I get to have the opportunity and the responsibility to make sure that everything we're making is something that really celebrates their skills and their craft. Chloe Malle: So we, uh, are also speaking to, or spoke to, Lauren Santo Domingo this week, and we are asking her about- Wes Gordon: Okay. Chloe Malle: ... her like summer hostess gifts, and what... and sort of her etiquette 'cause she's sort of a, you know, a known hostess- Wes Gordon: Uh-huh. Chloe Malle: ... but so are you. Wes Gordon: A know h- Chloe Malle: And so I was sort of curious... You're a known hostess. Wes Gordon: [laughing] I'm n- Chloe Malle: I'm, I'm curious, if someone comes to stay with you- Wes Gordon: Okay. Chloe Malle: ... what's the dream gift they can bring you? Wes Gordon: Okay. The dream gift they can bring us actually is something perishable- Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Chioma Nnadi: See? Food or flu- flowers. Wes Gordon: ... um, flowers, food. I- I've become like very curated about all the like things in my life. I try to be. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Wes Gordon: I've cycled out so many things anymore. I just really wanna have the things around me that I love and cherish and that I think are beautiful. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Wes Gordon: So someone just bringing something with, like, just more [inaudible 00:26:58] into my life is like not necessarily what I want, right? Chloe Malle: Okay. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Chloe Malle: Yeah, it's not. Wes Gordon: Like it's, it's- Chloe Malle: No, I appreciate a perishable. Wes Gordon: Right? Chloe Malle: Uh, I- yeah. Wes Gordon: Like, bring a beauti- Chloe Malle: A comestible, it doesn't have to be perishable. Wes Gordon: ... a box of your favorite pastries or just something that's the gesture. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Wes Gordon: And you don't need to bring anything, honestly. Chloe Malle: But I wanna hear about your secret, uh- Wes Gordon: [laughs] Chloe Malle: ... any like hostessing secrets because- Wes Gordon: Hostessing secrets? What do I have, my hosting secrets? Um. Chloe Malle: Well, personally, the one thing I'm thinking about is your genius thing of rolling your tablecloths. Wes Gordon: Oh my God. Oh, like that kind of stuff. Chioma Nnadi: Rolling tablecloths? Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Tell me more. Chloe Malle: Because then they don't have creases. Wes Gordon: [inaudible 00:27:26] that physco. But, okay, but like- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, my gosh. Wes Gordon: ... that's not hostessing secrets, that's me being crazy. So I don't like- Chloe Malle: No. That's from Martha. No? Wes Gordon: Not really. I mean, maybe. Chloe Malle: Okay. Well it's j- I think it's very smart. I think you've cracked a case here. Wes Gordon: Ugh. So I don't like lines in tablecloths, and [laughing]- Chioma Nnadi: Ha-ha. Wes Gordon: ... some people actually like them. Anyway, it's, maybe it's un-chic of me to not like the line in the- Chioma Nnadi: I- I don't mind them because it feels like, oh, it just fresh out of the, the, you know, laundry closet- Chloe Malle: Out of the presser? Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Wes Gordon: Right. So now I keep all of ours, they're ironed and then rolled onto these wooden dowels- Chloe Malle: Fabulous. It's great. Wes Gordon: ... on a, on a wall, and so I can see. Chioma Nnadi: Oh my God. Okay, that's another level. Wes Gordon: Um, and I know. But that's, that's not, like, a good hosting secret. That's me... like, that's like a window into my like OCD crazy. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: What's a secret to a great summer dinner party? Wes Gordon: A great summer dinner party is, I- I don't know about you guys, but I... again, in the same way we were talking about earlier, I can bring it all back to the collection again. Chloe Malle: Yeah, great. Wes Gordon: Um, this idea of challenging the notion of what is fancy and what is casual, what is dressy and what is relaxed. And I think what's really important now about a dinner party or a party is an informal spirit and energy and attitude. Chloe Malle: Best flower? Wes Gordon: I always... So, so right when you get off the elevator in our house, I keep a vase of lilies always because I like the smell. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Wes Gordon: And this is such a weird thing, but I want our kids to grow up with a smell that reminds them of home. Chloe Malle: Aww. Chioma Nnadi: Aww, that's so sweet. Wes Gordon: Yeah. So for the rest of their lives, I want them to have like this [inaudible 00:28:47] moment where they smell lilies and- Chloe Malle: Oh, I love that. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, that's lovely. Wes Gordon: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: That was great. It was fun. Wes Gordon: Okay. Thank you so much for having me. Chloe Malle: I'm excited for your trip. Wes Gordon: This was so fun. Yeah, I'm excited for the trip. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I think you're gonna love- Chloe Malle: It's gonna be super fun. The Run-Through will be back in just a moment. Welcome back to The Run-Through with Vogue. And now, one of the best dressed women in New York City, Lauren Santo Domingo joined us in the studio. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Lauren Santo Domingo, who founded, uh, Moda Operandi, and, um, who is also the artistic director of Tiffany Home Collection. Chloe Malle: Newly- Chioma Nnadi: Newly appointed. Newly appointed. Chloe Malle: Newly appointed, um, yeah, can't wait to see what plates are gonna come out of there. Chioma Nnadi: Me too. Who are you, Lauren? Lauren Santo Domingo: Hu- Okay. Chioma Nnadi: [laughing] Lauren Santo Domingo: Um, I am Lauren Santo Domingo, former Vogue market editor. Um, currently Moda Operandi chief brand officer, and artistic director for Tiffany and Co. Home and Accessories. Chloe Malle: Congratulations. That's exciting. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, yeah. Lauren Santo Domingo: Thank you. It's really fun. Chloe Malle: We were curious if you have a Devil's Wear Prada story that you could remember and now in retrospect would be like a Scott Rudin, get you canceled, moment. Chioma Nnadi: [laughing] Lauren Santo Domingo: So I think there was one, we were shooting Nicole Kidman for the cover. I think it was the Moulin Rouge era. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, I remember that cover. Yeah. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. And so, um, it, it could have been post-9/11 when suddenly getting, uh, packages into the building became really difficult and you couldn't just meet the messenger. So- Chioma Nnadi: And this was up at 4 Times Square? Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah, 4 Times Square. So a lot of us market editors started sending things to our apartments because it was a lot easier. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, wow. Lauren Santo Domingo: And then we could also justify the car service to the office. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Chloe Malle: Oh, smart. Lauren Santo Domingo: Savvy. Chioma Nnadi: Smart, smart. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. So it was like a, you know, a big Ponzi scheme. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: And I had a Versace dress sent to my house, and I guess there was two sort of squashed into, um... two squashed into this big FedEx box, and I had taken the first one out and there was some tissue paper, and- Chloe Malle: Oh, no. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... it felt light. It felt- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, no. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... felt empty. Chioma Nnadi: I know where this is going. Lauren Santo Domingo: So I threw it in the fire shoot, which is a, um, the, the burning, what's it called? The- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, God. An incinerator. Chloe Malle: An incinerator. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: So I get to the office, I call KCD, and was like, you know, "Versace, uh, you know, I realized only one dress arrived." I'm like, "Guys, you, you know, you only sent one dress." And they're like, "Oh no, it was in there." I ended up calling my super and they had pulled it out of the... Yeah, someone had- Chloe Malle: Oh, wow. Lauren Santo Domingo: So they had pulled it out of the incinerator and, um- Chloe Malle: Because they just happened to know it was in there? Lauren Santo Domingo: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe God loves me. Chloe Malle: Wow. Perhaps. Chioma Nnadi: But it didn't, so it didn't get... Lauren Santo Domingo: It... so I, so I ended up- Chioma Nnadi: You are lucky. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... I'm like, "Meet me downstairs." I'm like, "I- I will pay whoever I need to." Chioma Nnadi: Wow. You had a fashion guardian angel. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. And got it, you know, got it upstairs and, um, and that was it. Chloe Malle: It smelled like ash, right? Lauren Santo Domingo: Oh, like garbage. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Chioma Nnadi: That kind of stress is why I could never be a market editor. I just- Chloe Malle: Yeah. [laughing] Chioma Nnadi: Oh my God, no. Lauren Santo Domingo: I loved it. I thrived on it. Chloe Malle: Or an ER doctor. [laughing] Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. Same thing. [laughing] You know, my dad actually told me, he gave me really good advice, um, when I first started, I was, I- I couldn't believe I... One of the, one of the, uh, editors, I- I won't name who, started crying because a certain look was not available. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, stop. Lauren Santo Domingo: And she sank to the ground against the wall, started sucking her thumb and crying. Chioma Nnadi: [laughing] Oh my God. Lauren Santo Domingo: And I said something to my father, like, "These people are ridiculous." And he said, "Listen..." He's like, "Listen, you, you work at Vogue. You, you have to imagine that each look that you're getting, each piece of clothing that you're getting, it's like a heart transplant. And that's the organ- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... and you got to get it from point A to point B." Chioma Nnadi: Not wrong. Lauren Santo Domingo: And it, it really, it worked. Chioma Nnadi: [laughing] Lauren Santo Domingo: And it was, I mean, if not more important than a lifesaving organ. Right? Mark Jacobs Look 39. Chloe Malle: Wow. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah, it was fun. Chioma Nnadi: You know, we obviously know, you're famous for being an amazing hostess. I'm personally so afraid of it. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah, it's terrifying. Chioma Nnadi: It's terrifying. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah, it's terrifying. Chioma Nnadi: I never do it. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah, there's so m- I don't know why, but there's so much like, uh, sensitivity and, and, you know, this idea of etiquette and, and- Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... and being proper, and, and doing things right and wrong, and- Chloe Malle: It's one of the last remaining areas where there really is a s- a rule book. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Or people think there is. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. There pe- Well, that's it, people think there is. And I remember being incredibly intimidated. Um, and then now having felt that I've conquered, um- Chloe Malle: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: ... uh, conquered it and have a, you know, a really comfortable, um, uh, relationship with entertaining, but it took me a while to get there. You know, I definitely grew up in that, in that era where, you know, having the, you know, the, the glass and the right can- I mean, all of that stuff was so fraught. Um- Chloe Malle: What rules have you discarded? Lauren Santo Domingo: Well, you know, I remember when I first moved to New York, I had somehow gotten invited to... I think it was Alber Elbaz had just presented a new collection for Saint Laurent- Chloe Malle: Okay. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... at the, at the Saint Laurent Boutique- Chioma Nnadi: Oh. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... at... on Madison Avenue. I somehow got invited, um, last minute, and was sitting around at this luncheon with a bunch of, uh, shall remain nameless, um, you know, '90s socialites, and again, somehow ended up being seated with them. And they were all aghast that a story had just run in Vogue about a fellow socialite, and on her dining table were colored candles, candlesticks. Chloe Malle: Oh, is that... so that's a [inaudible 00:34:37]- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, that's so funny. Lauren Santo Domingo: And they were horrified. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: I mean, horrified. And I just sat there like, no, just s- Chloe Malle: The candles or the candlesticks? Lauren Santo Domingo: The candlesticks, they were f- they were blue candles. Chloe Malle: Whoa. Lauren Santo Domingo: Blk, blue wax candles. Chloe Malle: Okay. Wow. Interesting. Lauren Santo Domingo: And I mean, it was, like, the horror. So I think what we're doing at Tiffany is I wanna make sure that anything we put on the table, it, it's, it's foolproof. Chloe Malle: I mean, still on the topic of hostess rules, I feel like people loved the New York Magazine Etiquette Guide in February- Lauren Santo Domingo: Oh yeah, that's funny. Chloe Malle: ... and got such a kick out of everyone's rules and sharing that. And the, uh, internet had a mild heart attack, mild heart attack that you let people smoke inside your house and keep their shoes on. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. Chloe Malle: Has that always been the case for you? Lauren Santo Domingo: You know, I think that's another thing that I picked up at a dinner party one day, is someone was like, "And can you believe they made us take off our shoes and couldn't smoke. And why don't they just entertain in a restaurant-" Chloe Malle: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: "... um, if they don't want people in their house?" And it was just one of those like, "Okay, note to self." Chloe Malle: [laughing] Lauren Santo Domingo: Never... I think it was just one of those. Chloe Malle: I always think of the, the Sex and the City where she loses her shoes, her Manolos, when she has to take them off at a dinner party. And it is sort of that panic. I once went to a book party at someone's house and they asked, they actually sent a reminder addendum to the paperless post saying, "We will be asking you to take off your shoes, so plan your socks accordingly." Lauren Santo Domingo: Which I respect that. Chloe Malle: Totally. Lauren Santo Domingo: Which I respect that. Chloe Malle: But also then... I don't know. Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. I always end up with a hole in my sock or- Lauren Santo Domingo: I know. I know. Chioma Nnadi: It's just- Chloe Malle: It's just an extra thing. Lauren Santo Domingo: I know. Chioma Nnadi: It's just an extra- Lauren Santo Domingo: I was once asked to, I was once at someone's house in Paris, um, a very famous rockstar that, his name will remain nameless. Chloe Malle: [laughing] Lauren Santo Domingo: And, um, you would think he's like a wild rockstar, he's known for being quite extravagant. And we went inside his house and he only served, uh, w- w- uh, clear liquid, um, because of- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, because so, as not to stain the- Lauren Santo Domingo: Yes. And then we had to take our shoes off. It was February during fashion week, as one could imagine, late February. Chioma Nnadi: Oh, God. Chloe Malle: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: And then when we, we would, when we were, uh, when we wanted to smoke, we would have to go outside in the garden. Chloe Malle: Barefoot? Lauren Santo Domingo: Barefoot. Chloe Malle: Oh my God. Chioma Nnadi: No. Lauren Santo Domingo: Smoking. Yes. And I think it was at that moment where I thought, then don't have people over. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Don't have people over. Lauren Santo Domingo: So I kind of, I think it was sort of in a- Chloe Malle: Wow. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... in a violent reaction to that- Chloe Malle: Yes. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... where I'm like, "I never wanna be the person that is..." If someone wants to take their shoes off, by all means. I'm most of the times not wearing shoes and people will kick them off all the time. But if someone wants to keep wearing them, I- I- I certainly will not stop them. And I do, I let people smoke. I try to encourage them to do it outside on the, you know, out the window or something like that. And a lot of people, even if I tell them to smoke, they'll insist on going outdoors. Chloe Malle: Right. Chioma Nnadi: As someone who, um, doesn't host very often, but is often invited to other people's homes, um, the gift question, what to bring, you know, what is the... what are the best things to bring when you're going to- Chloe Malle: Well, according to Lauren, not a candle. Chioma Nnadi: Yes. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I- I don't like can- I don't like, um, scented candles. Lauren Santo Domingo: The... nothing says, "I don't care," like a candle. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: I actually don't do any gifts. I will send flowers afterwards- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, that's nice. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... if I remember which- Chloe Malle: Okay. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... I usually don't. Chioma Nnadi: It's gotta be a memorable party then. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. I usually don't. Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: Um, let's be honest. Chloe Malle: What's a nice gift someone brings? Lauren Santo Domingo: Um, I mean, I love like a nice coffee table book or, you know, if anything, someone, um, you know, a book they had just read, something that has some sort of meaning. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Lauren Santo Domingo: If it feels obligatory- Chloe Malle: Right. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... I will be, I will be like, "I can't believe you thought..." You know? Chioma Nnadi: Right. Lauren Santo Domingo: I- I hate to think that someone would go out of their way to scramble to get something before they came, and I mean, maybe I'm terribly rude, I probably am, um- Chioma Nnadi: Well, this makes me feel better. Lauren Santo Domingo: But I don't- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: ... even if I'm going on like a weekend trip to someone's house, again, I'll send flowers after- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, that's nice. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... I don't bring a- a h- Chloe Malle: Oh, interesting. Lauren Santo Domingo: I do not bring a- a hostess gift- Chioma Nnadi: I stress about that. I- I would probably bring like multiple different things. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: Like food and wine and this, and [inaudible 00:38:44]- Lauren Santo Domingo: I like bringing something afterwards, 'cause then you've spent the weekend with someone. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Lauren Santo Domingo: You know, like, what their kid likes or whatever- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, okay. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... and then you can send something. Chloe Malle: Do you change the meal you're serving, now that everyone's on Ozempic? Because the New York Post had a great article about how all these Upper Eastside restaurants are now doing like Ozempic portions, where they're doing half portions. Chioma Nnadi: No. Stop it. I just think this has gotten out of control. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Me too. But I'm happy to not have half the food wasted. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Lauren Santo Domingo: But I think everything was too big to begin with. Chloe Malle: Sure. Chioma Nnadi: Right. Lauren Santo Domingo: So I'm more than happy if they're doing normal-sized food. Chioma Nnadi: But I hate it when it's so tiny. I d- I d- don't want... [laughs] I want it- Chloe Malle: It needs to be normal, it needs to be normal size. Chioma Nnadi: Normal. Chloe Malle: Have you noticed people eating less when you have them over? Lauren Santo Domingo: Um, I mean, I can't say that I've noticed, but I- I mean, I know everyone who's on, on Ozempic and basically, everyone is on Ozempic. Um- Chloe Malle: It's alarming. Lauren Santo Domingo: It's alarming. Chloe Malle: Are the people you know who are on it, gonna be on it for the rest of their lives or... 'cause I wanna know- Lauren Santo Domingo: Yes. Chloe Malle: ... stories about people who have tried going off of it, 'cause that seems hard. Lauren Santo Domingo: So whenever I ask that question, I said, "Well, what happens when you go off of it?" The answer is always, "Well, why would I go off of it?" Chioma Nnadi: Oh. Wow. Chloe Malle: I mean, why... I- I- Fair. We'll see. But- Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah, TBD. Chloe Malle: Yeah, I don't know. It just seems like a lot of effort. Uh. Lauren Santo Domingo: Or it's the opposite. Normally, it would be a lot of effort to watch what you eat and to, you know, take care of oneself. This is actually a lot less effort. Chloe Malle: Can you tell us about your Cannes red carpet viewing experience this year? Chioma Nnadi: Tell us. Lauren Santo Domingo: I am obsessed with Cannes. Chioma Nnadi: Okay. Lauren Santo Domingo: I can't get enough of it. Chloe Malle: I know. It's so fun. Lauren Santo Domingo: It's so fun. Also, it's like, um it's- Chloe Malle: The last real glamour left. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. And I like, it's, it's much more editorial, whereas our Oscars- Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... are much more commercial- Chioma Nnadi: So, yeah, it's so... Yeah. Chloe Malle: It's true. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, no risks are taken. Lauren Santo Domingo: And I like that there's a mix, that there's celebrities, directors, models- Chloe Malle: Yeah. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... royals- Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... um, fashion girls, influencers. It's just a nice, uh, a nice mix. Chioma Nnadi: Favorites? Lauren Santo Domingo: Let's see, I think Anya Rubik who's been- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, I missed her. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... she's just a friend of Anthony Vaccarello, at, um, at Saint Laurent. Chloe Malle: Oh. She was wearing a smoking- Lauren Santo Domingo: Oh my God, she has had like five looks. She did one- Chioma Nnadi: I'm gonna have to Google that. Lauren Santo Domingo: I mean, she's heaven. Chloe Malle: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I haven't seen that one. Lauren Santo Domingo: She's heaven. She's perfect. Um, actually Saint Laurent had a lot of really great, um- Chloe Malle: Didn't Iris Law wear Saint Laurent? Lauren Santo Domingo: I think... Or was that Stella with the little slippy dress? Chioma Nnadi: Iris Law always looks good too. Chloe Malle: She looked really good. I think, remember how Anne Hathaway- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, [inaudible 00:41:04] Chloe Malle: ... had that, like, [inaudible 00:41:06], exactly. Lauren Santo Domingo: So I think this year, Brie, um- Chioma Nnadi: Oh, Brie Larson. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... Brie Larson did it, it was amazing. Chioma Nnadi: Did you like the Chanel? Lauren Santo Domingo: I l- okay, so the Chanel gold- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... where it was this like gold beaded vest with a gold, uh, chiffon underneath- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... I thought it was magic. I thought she sparkled and she did a lot of Chanel, um, this, this week- Chloe Malle: She had a Chanel, like a lace catsuit that was kind of amazing. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yes. On the first day. Chioma Nnadi: [inaudible 00:41:27] I missed that. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah, on the first day. And another one where she was wearing like a little, a black, um, chiffon dress and a bow in her hair. Chloe Malle: Mm-hmm. Lauren Santo Domingo: Which, you know- Chioma Nnadi: That was so Chanel, I love that. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. Which was great. Chioma Nnadi: Apparently there's this whole firestorm around the fact that, um- Lauren Santo Domingo: Lily Rose Depp was smoking- Chioma Nnadi: ... Rose Depp was smoking in a vintage dress, but we are not sure if it was the original. Lauren Santo Domingo: It was an original. Chioma Nnadi: It was? Lauren Santo Domingo: She was walking out of her hotel, which I think was a hotel that her father and Kate Moss had once trashed. Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Lauren Santo Domingo: And like, uh, you know? So it was very fitting and she was smoking a- Chioma Nnadi: A full circle moment. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... before she got in the car, she, she dropped it. But I think that's, you know, Cannes, was for me, I think my first fashion moment, I remember seeing Kate Moss in that gray Narciso- Chioma Nnadi: Wow. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... chic dress. And I had- Chloe Malle: What year? Lauren Santo Domingo: That must have been like '98. Chloe Malle: Okay. Lauren Santo Domingo: And um, I had been reading, I think everyone knew at that time there were stories of Kate Moss and Johnny Depp and they were trashing hotel rooms, throwing TVs out of windows and getting in these ruckus fights and just- Chloe Malle: Oh. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... you know, generally misbehaving. Chioma Nnadi: What a love story. Chloe Malle: Glamour. Lauren Santo Domingo: It was fantastic. And they were, you know... and then they showed up at Cannes, and I remember, and, and I think that's when something clicked for me, this transformative power of fashion where I thought to myself, "You know what? I can do anything so long as I look okay." [laughing] And I sort of like, like took it as my, as my, you know, as my mantra. You know, you can just, you can really get away anything so long as you look good at doing it. Chioma Nnadi: I love that Kate inspired that. Chloe Malle: I know. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. Yeah. Well- Chioma Nnadi: She's still a force. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. Chloe Malle: She is a force. Lauren Santo Domingo: And Lily Rose Depp looked, uh, definitely amazing. I mean, I really loved that. Chioma Nnadi: Yeah, she did. Yeah, she looked great. Lauren Santo Domingo: I really love that. Chioma Nnadi: Do you shop for an occasion or do you just buy the dress and the occasion comes later? Because I don't like to... I don't like to have to buy a dress for an occasion. I like the dress to exist in my closet. Lauren Santo Domingo: So I think I realized that I- I get dressed simply to justify my shopping- Chloe Malle: [laughing] Lauren Santo Domingo: ... that I enjoy shopping more than I enjoy getting dressed up and going out. Also, I don't like to waste a dress on people that don't- Chioma Nnadi: Right. Don't appreciate it. Lauren Santo Domingo: ... appreciate it. Chioma Nnadi: Mm-hmm. That I can, I can [inaudible 00:43:30]- Lauren Santo Domingo: So if I'm going to a wedding with, you know, all my friends, but are civilians, not fashion professionals- Chioma Nnadi: [laughs] Lauren Santo Domingo: ... like I'm not gonna, I'll pull something old from my closet that I, you know, it's a couple years old. But I'm a, I'm a big, uh, re-wearer. Chioma Nnadi: I love to hear that. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: I think we need to normalize, re-wearing. Lauren Santo Domingo: Yeah. Chioma Nnadi: 'Cause it, it's gotten out of control. Lauren Santo Domingo: If I love something, I wanna wear it- Chioma Nnadi: Yeah. Just wear it [inaudible 00:43:51]- Lauren Santo Domingo: ... all the time. Chioma Nnadi: Me too. Lauren Santo Domingo: All the time. Chioma Nnadi: Well, thank you so much for joining us. Lauren Santo Domingo: Thank you. Chioma Nnadi: This was so fun. Lauren Santo Domingo: Thank you. Chioma Nnadi: We had a lot, a lot of fun. Chloe Malle: That's it for this episode of The Run-Through. Chioma Nnadi: The Run-Through with Vogue is a production of Condé Nast Entertainment. Chloe Malle: The show is produced by Suzie Lechtenberg, Chelsea Daniel and Alex Jhamb Burns. It's engineered by Jake Lummus, Gabe Quiroga, and Kevin Bourassa, and mixed by Mike Kuman. Chioma Nnadi: See you soon. Bye.